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[Wehrmacht]

bramble,

You are correct. If you search the literature you will find references to using cane for powder storage as well as utilized for powder measurers. But if you want to be totally PC,you may have a slight problem! The former range of native cane was east of the Mississippi and south of the Ohio(the canebreaks of kentucky :winking: )and native cane has almost dissappeared! Almost all of the cane that you see growing in the States today are Oriental imported species :shocked2:.I see a little native stuff on my travels around Kentucky and Tennessee,but not much and never in big healthy stands....someone may know where it can be found,though!

romeoh,

sich bedanken bei,bitte!
Jah, Ich bin ein Forster,(hope I've said this correctly!) and I am well versed in German forest management practices! In fact,much of our forest management techniques are deeply rooted in what has been done in Deutchland for the past 300+ years!

 

[PreglerD]

Is that really correct to read the law in this way? I thougt the given rule is the allowed minimum for all other weapons. I called DEVA in Altenbeken/GE and they said the same. But they told me that especially when shooting with slugs the minimum energy can't be reached, nevertheless it is used and not prohibited for shooting on reddeer or wildboar in Germany.

 

[romeoh]

@kirrmeister:
Well, in my job I´ve also to do with laws and how to read them, and I would say the people that made this law
a) made a mistake by choosing this expression
b) very wisely chose this expression
And as you say for shotguns the argument "limit is only for RIFLEcartridges" is very common used.
So why not say "limit is only for rifleCARTRIDES"

IMHO I think b) is the right explanation. I think the had the shotguns in the back of their mind and - who knows - maybe also a few old hunters that were still using muzzleloaders. That depends on when the expression came into german hunting-law.
Anyhow, if you are not sure about it, it´s a question of law. A lawyer, a bit specialized on weapon- and hunting law, could be a good adress to ask...

There are a lot of things in laws that are not common and therefore no one takes it´s rights. Could you belive that EVERY german above 18 is allowed to CARRY - yes I said carry - a firearm?
It is so. Sorry guys, now I have to use a few german words...
In the weapon law in the Anlage II
you will find that you are allowed to carry (führen) weapons with "lunten- und funkenzündung"!
So imagine what would happen if you carried a loaded flintlock-rifle over your shoulder by walking over the marienplatz in munich...
Police would take you with them, you would be in the news, etc., because nobody could imagine that behaving so could be allowed. BUT: You could not be blamed for it by court, it is your right to do so. :blah:

@ the Förster:
You surely got one of the nicest jobs a man can have, my grandfather was a förster too. Maybe I should have chosen this job-direction for me too, but when I was young I made another decision. Could be quite interesting for you to see what´s happening where I live -bavaria, close to the czech border. Most of the forest was changed into a national-park not long ago. The principe now is to do nothing, nature shall do it herself. Many people are angry about this philosophy because the bark-beetle (hope the word is right) causes big damages. The people fought the bark-beetle for generations, now they only can look out their windows on dead trees and completely brown forest-areas...

After all, I find it very interesting to discuss with both of you. I hope I don´t get blamed for again being totaly off topic.

romeoh

 

[hawkeye1755]

In the weapon law in the Anlage II
you will find that you are allowed to carry (führen) weapons with "lunten- und funkenzündung"!
So imagine what would happen if you carried a loaded flintlock-rifle over your shoulder by walking over the marienplatz in munich...
Police would take you with them, you would be in the news, etc., because nobody could imagine that behaving so could be allowed. BUT: You could not be blamed for it by court, it is your right to do so. :blah:
romeoh

They didn't think that a Matchlock or Flintlock are 'real' guns.That shows me ,that these officials have not the slightest idea of they are talking.
BTW,counts that only for single barrel guns? :hmm:
:hatsoff:

 

[romeoh]

They didn't think that a Matchlock or Flintlock are 'real' guns.That shows me ,that these officials have not the slightest idea of they are talking.
BTW,counts that only for single barrel guns? :hmm:
:hatsoff:

Maybe they don´t take it serious, I can imagine that. The other point may be that no crime happens with these type of weapons and so they don´t come in politicians and public´s minds.
And no, that´s not only for single barrel guns.

romeoh

 

[PreglerD]

You are rihgt with your post about German Gun Law and carrying of flintlocks in GE. While I'm a policeman, too (Federal Police, former BGS) I wouldn't arrest such a person, only check ID-Card.
Tell me romeoh what's your profession in the Bavarian Forrest. I was 3 years in Regen, Bayerwaldkaserne as a company commander of the German Army, my profession before police for 12 years.

 

[Wehrmacht]

Guten Aben, Herr Kirrmeister. Ich ben ein Nachrichtenoffizier,Korvettekapitan,but that was many,many years ago when I was a young man full of vim and vigor! Now my greatest contribution to the good of the World is simply to stay out of the way and hunt with my flintlocks as much as I can :haha:

 

[romeoh]

You are rihgt with your post about German Gun Law and carrying of flintlocks in GE. While I'm a policeman, too (Federal Police, former BGS) I wouldn't arrest such a person, only check ID-Card.
Tell me romeoh what's your profession in the Bavarian Forrest. I was 3 years in Regen, Bayerwaldkaserne as a company commander of the German Army, my profession before police for 12 years.

Well, I guess it´s time to drop the pants...
I was was already wondering if it could be possible that I know you, but the world can´t be that small I thought. But it is!
We´ve already met in Zwiesel, because we share the same profession. I also wouldn´t arrest the guy carrying a flintlock because of well knowing the background by having the blackpowder-hobby. I guess many other collegues would take the guy with them.
I also found out a while ago that we are both a bit "missionary-men" for blackpowder-shooting. Please tell Mr. Tamdjidi many greetings from me! Bought my motorcycle, I hope the old iron still works well.
I made already two collegues become a blackpowder-stinker too, the second got his license less than two weeks ago...

See you,

romeoh

 

[PreglerD]

So did we met in 2004 when I made my practice as a police officer cadet? Are you member of the BPOLI Zwiesel? But I don't know you. I'm member of the BPOLI Rosenheim.

 

[romeoh]

Maybe you don´t know me, but we met there.
Just ask Tami, he knows me. :winking:

CU
romeoh

 

[PreglerD]

Oh I think i know you. Are you the POM who had become healthy again after a heavy illness?

 

[romeoh]

That´s me, 2004 PM, now POM. I think the time you were in ZWI I worked only a few hours per day to get slowly back into business. Helped the WUG-man those days...

CU
romeoh

 

[PreglerD]

Yes I remember you. I saw you when I got my FEM from the WUG-man and I think we had talked about guns and shooting. I did day-service at this time and was then for 6 weeks in the DG 5, PHK Weinzierl and PK Bauer. Everything all right with you? Good health ?

 

[romeoh]

Everything fine.
Just two weeks ago the doctors cut me out a little "spare-part" they put me in, saying I´ll shall put it out because I ´ll never need it again.
It was a little box positioned under the skin, one end sewed to a vein. They put the needles just trough the skin and in the box, so they don´t need to torture the veins again and again. That´s much more painless too, I can promise that.
I think saying "you´ll no longer need that thing" is one of the best prognoses that´s possible.
At the moment I sit at home waiting for the cut to heal... kinda boring, even shooting is impossible :winking: the cut is near the right shoulder where you put the rifle in.

CU
romeoh

 

[PreglerD]

Did you ever have heard from the SPI. It's a good foundation for all muzzleloader who wants to practice shooting as public sports.

 

[romeoh]

Sure I know it. I always recommend it to all those who want to start shooting muzzleloaders without having any other nitro-weapons before and therefore not being under the roof of an organization that´s got muzzleloading-disciplines in it´s programm.

CU
romeoh

 

[PreglerD]

Are you member of? I'm. We have here in Rosenheim a regional group with now 10 members. 3 newbies have get a bp-licence up to now. Tamjidi is already at work for this. For my opinion it's the best for starting ML because there you have no pressure of taking part at competitions or to bring a certain number of rings.Further more there is no restriction for the guns. Nearly every ML-Replika can be used, even original guns have a own competition. And it is relatively cheap, only € 48,- per year. Is there a representation in your county or near your county? And as I'm a hunter I will try to start hunting. A few people in GE will be against this but they cannot argue, they are stupid.Have a look in the[url] www.gunboard.de[/url].