More Misfire Issues - Investarms 54 Caliber

[Bad Karma]

The hole is drilled to make the flash channel from the nipple seat to the powder chamber. After the chips are cleared from the manufacturing of the breech plug or drum, that hole is plugged by a threaded plug and once the chips are cleaned from the flash hole there is no longer any reason to remove that treaded plug. There is no compelling reason for that plug to be removed during cleaning of fouling after shooting the gun. It is done, of course and many drums and breech plugs have been compromised because of that. Many have not.

And in later years TC filled the hole with a screw and ground it flush with the side of the breech plug so that it couldn’t be removed. That’s the first clue…

 

[springfield art]

The hole is drilled to make the flash channel from the nipple seat to the powder chamber. After the chips are cleared from the manufacturing of the breech plug or drum, that hole is plugged by a threaded plug and once the chips are cleaned from the flash hole there is no longer any reason to remove that treaded plug. There is no compelling reason for that plug to be removed during cleaning of fouling after shooting the gun. It is done, of course and many drums and breech plugs have been compromised because of that. Many have not.

Interesting.

 

[flconch53]

Interesting.

2 times I have seen the plug screw come out of a gun when fired. The cause was the threads being weakened by loosening and tightening. One inbedded in the hand of the shooter next to the gun that the screw came out of
If you are going to be one of the I always do it this way please get a supply of the screws and replace it often

 

[smoothshooter]

@Turtle2, I've got to agree with the above posts. Misfires are almost always related to an obstruction in the fire channel. A rigorous cleaning of the InvestArms chambered breech is certainly due. Is the percussion cap firing? The caps may be bad. We have seen reports here on the Forum that some of the new CCI caps have been less than reliable. Is the nipple mushroomed at the cone. They are cheap enough to just go ahead and change it out. The other cause is associated with synthetic powders that are safe to use and available but require a much higher ignition temperature. The high ignition temperature coupled with a tortuous path from the nipple seat and a possible fouling in the chambered breech make reliable ignition a challenge. Rarely, there will be shards of metal left in the flash channel causing a partial blockage.

Now, I believe that the InvestArms rifle will have a hooked breech. The barrel can be removed for a vigorous flushing of the barrel and breech. Still the chambered breech needs to be verified clear.

Chambered breeches =

 

[Pirate's Son]

Replace your No. 11 nipple with a Musket nipple. I've been using Musket caps on my two ,54 Renegades and .54 Great Plains pistol for 20 years. Not a single misfire.

 

[Fishslap]

Replace your No. 11 nipple with a Musket nipple. I've been using Musket caps on my two ,54 Renegades and .54 Great Plains pistol for 20 years. Not a single misfire.

Millions of rounds have probably been shot successfully through this style of gun with the stock ignition system using #11 caps. I doubt that’s the root cause of the OPs issue.

 

[AlexB]

The tow stainless nipples work better than the hotshots for me.

 

[Pirate's Son]

Millions of rounds have probably been shot successfully through this style of gun with the stock ignition system using #11 caps. I doubt that’s the root cause of the OPs issue.

Very true and I've used them for a couple of thousand of those millions. What I've found is that with a Musket cap I can spend a day at the range and never have to prick the nipple clean or remove the nipple and rotorroot the chamber.
The most important reason is I can spend a damp day in the woods and I KNOW when I squeeze that trigger on something that I want to be edible. Well, it goes BOOM and I've filled a tag!

 

[Bad Karma]

Chambered breeches =

I don’t understand this… frankly I don’t think I even own a non chambered breech. Ignition is as good and consistent as any inline given the use of appropriate powder.

 

[smoothshooter]

I don’t understand this… frankly I don’t think I even own a non chambered breech. Ignition is as good and consistent as any inline given the use of appropriate powder.

Chambered breeches work better if you are always able to remove the barrel and flush it with a with a bucket of water, then spend a fair amount of time drying them out. Sometimes that is not possible or practical.
A lot of shooters do most or all their shooting in a structured environment which is more conducive to the rod-and-flush method. They go to a range, fire several shots, take extra time clean and dry, and go home.
Once they clean, they are done for the day/week/ year.

 

[smoothshooter]

Chambered breeches work better if you are always able to remove the barrel and flush it with a with a bucket of water, then spend a fair amount of time drying them out. Sometimes that is not possible or practical.
A lot of shooters do most or all their shooting in a structured environment which is more conducive to the rod-and-flush method. They go to a range, fire several shots, take extra time clean and dry, and go home.
Once they clean, they are done for the day/week/ year.

 

[ETipp]

I don’t understand this… frankly I don’t think I even own a non chambered breech. Ignition is as good and consistent as any inline given the use of appropriate powder.

Same here. Never a problem. TC’s, CVA, Traditions, and Lyman. There has been widespread reports of many Pedersoli’s having issues, however. Not all by no means.

If one properly cleans one, then not an issue.