Muzzle protector for cleaning rod.

[Griz44Mag]

It's not what comes out of a ML or even a modern barrel, it's the dust in the air and other contaminants that get stuck on the brass rods that will do the damage.

One can minimize it by wiping down the rod every time before it goes into the bore, but even dust from sand and other contaminants will abrade the bore.

Gus

And I am assuming that you are serious about "dust in the air"? And abrasive fallout (from where)?
You actually think that dust in the air is going to harm your bore?
How can you possibly put that dirty gunpowder in your barrel? And I have to assume that you use only sterilized and dust free patch material?
Do you always use 99.9999999999999% pure lead ammunition?

Are you related to Howard Hughes?

 

[Glock21user]

And I am assuming that you are serious about "dust in the air"? And abrasive fallout (from where)?
You actually think that dust in the air is going to harm your bore?
How can you possibly put that dirty gunpowder in your barrel? And I have to assume that you use only sterilized and dust free patch material?
Do you always use 99.9999999999999% pure lead ammunition?

Are you related to Howard Hughes?

It is understood that you have a different opinion than some on here and that's great but I see no need to belittle or be abusive to someone offering an opinion.
If you can not be respectful and not so derogatory then please do not reply to folks in threads I start.
There is zero need to belittle anyone for an idea, opinion or because you feel like something does not make sense.

 

[Griz44Mag]

It is understood that you have a different opinion than some on here and that's great but I see no need to belittle or be abusive to someone offering an opinion.
If you can not be respectful and not so derogatory then please do not reply to folks in threads I start.
There is zero need to belittle anyone for an idea, opinion or because you feel like something does not make sense.

So I assumed that your post about DUST was some kind of satirical "way out" attempt at humor.....
I guess you were serious?
I apologize if I somehow disturbed your thought patterns.....

 

[Glock21user]

Just to set the record straight, I have never mentioned dust in any type of respect.
And lastly never concern yourself with what you referred to as my thought patterns as you have absolutely no impact on them and nothing you say or do will ever change that.

 

[Griz44Mag]

Just to set the record straight, I have never mentioned dust in any type of respect.
And lastly never concern yourself with what you referred to as my thought patterns as you have absolutely no impact on them and nothing you say or do will ever change that.

AHHH ok, when I read your post I thought it was Art, not you.
Between Art, Ames, Feltwad, etc.... and several others we are always poking at each other, That wasn't pointed at you in the first place.
Most of us enjoy a lively conversation.

 

[Glock21user]

To that i would say please go ahead and enjoy a spirited debate.
Have a great day.

 

[hanshi]

All my cleaning rods just happened to be steel when they came my way. Some rods have brass (purchased) guards but some also have nylon guards. The nylon ones fit the small bores while the brass ones work for.45 and up. I also use guards on some of the short starters and ramrods.

 

[eggwelder]

I simply use expended rimmed casings from unmentionables that happen to fit in each particular bore. 8mm x 56 fits in a >50, 30-30 fits a .45 etc. I drill out where the primer was, slip it onto the rod,, and attach the jag. I use fibreglass rods, and the case keeps it away from the bore.

 

[Artificer]

And I am assuming that you are serious about "dust in the air"? And abrasive fallout (from where)?
You actually think that dust in the air is going to harm your bore?
How can you possibly put that dirty gunpowder in your barrel? And I have to assume that you use only sterilized and dust free patch material?
Do you always use 99.9999999999999% pure lead ammunition?

Are you related to Howard Hughes?

Yes, sand dust can and does get blown into the air if you are around sand and it does abrade a bore.

Have you never been around places with a lot of sand? BTW, it doesn't have to come from beaches or shores, it can and does come from large piles of sand near a range or place you shoot. It can come from shooting near a desert. Have you ever shot around gravel pits? Same thing there.

It may not happen in your neck of the woods, but there are plenty of places in the country where it does happen.

Gus

 

[Nameless Hunter]

Fine machining you did on that protector.

That small step you added now makes the protector more caliber specific. That's fine for that caliber and larger, but may or possibly would keep it from being used for smaller calibers.

I much prefer a protector with a tapered end like the following, because it allows me to use the protector for a wider range of calibers. I use a 1/4" rod with this kind of protector for .32 caliber and up to about .45 caliber, then a larger 3/8" rod with a larger tapered protector for .50 caliber and above.

http://www.smartreloader.com/images/boreguide_shotgun.gif
Gus

You could make something like a step drill that has steps for a 45, 50, 54, etc.

 

[Artificer]

You could make something like a step drill that has steps for a 45, 50, 54, etc.

Sure, one could do that, but with a tapered protector like the one I showed, no need to do it.

Gus

 

[Professor flintlock]

Sure, one could do that, but with a tapered protector like the one I showed, no need to do it.

Gus

Several years back bevel up and bevel down wrote about a test of different types I think they used a mechanical device to simulate the process of cleaning your rifle. Fiberglass failed the worst wood not far behind and stainless steel the best. Might want to look the article up in muzzle blasts. By the way I have some SS rods with crown protected .25 rod and 8/32 threads with a round ball on the end. Seems to work pretty good

 

[Professor flintlock]

Several years back bevel up and bevel down wrote about a test of different types I think they used a mechanical device to simulate the process of cleaning your rifle. Fiberglass failed the worst wood not far behind and stainless steel the best. Might want to look the article up in muzzle blasts. By the way I manufacturer SS rods with crown protected .25 rod and 8/32 threads with a round ball on the end. Seems to work pretty good

Have over 15000 through the gun and isn't even close to needing recrowned..32 cal rifle.

 

[Artificer]

Several years back bevel up and bevel down wrote about a test of different types I think they used a mechanical device to simulate the process of cleaning your rifle. Fiberglass failed the worst wood not far behind and stainless steel the best. Might want to look the article up in muzzle blasts. By the way I have some SS rods with crown protected .25 rod and 8/32 threads with a round ball on the end. Seems to work pretty good

In 1974 at the Spring National Shoot of the NMLRA, there was a vendor demonstrating what a fiberglass rod would do to a barrel by rubbing it against one of the corners. Did not take too many rubs back and forth to show the corners were worn down. With the natural flex of that material, there was NO way I would ever use a fiberglass rod in a ML.

Though it was on unmentionable NM rifles in the mid/late 70's, that also had to be cleaned from the muzzle, we did extensive testing on all types of cleaning rods including plastic coated rods. After extensive tests over many hundreds of rounds for the rod materials, we also went with polished SS rods.

When I was the Team Armourer to the U.S. International Muzzleloading Team for two World Championships in Wedgnok, the Midlands, UK in 1996 and 1998; I was extremely cautious about the cleaning rods I took along. This because the rods would not only be used for cleaning, but also because I might have to do an emergency pulling of a ball or projectile. Since I had so much experience doing emergency work as a Team Armorer and at the North South Skirmish Association Spring and Fall National Championships, I had to have the very best to go to the World Championships. So I once again chose polished SS rods.

Gus

 

[Cpt Flint]

Why not call the barrel maker and ask him. We did and ended up with Parker Hale coated rod after talking to every maker of match grade barrels that I could find.

 

[Artificer]

Why not call the barrel maker and ask him. We did and ended up with Parker Hale coated rod after talking to every maker of match grade barrels that I could find.

I sure hope Parker Hale has a much better coating on their rods than they did in the mid/late 1970's. We found that was the very worst rod for abrasives getting caught in the coating.

Gus

 

[Cpt Flint]

John Dewey also makes a splendid coated rod. Perhaps you are basing your opinion on outdated equipment.
I'm using a 25 power Hawkeye Borescope.