My Trade Rifle beat me up

[jtmattison]

I don't know why it is but my Lyman Trade Rifle beats me up something fierce when shooting heavy conicals.
I guess it's the shape of the stock.
I alway's and up with a black and blue cheek after a shooting session.
Today I was experimenting with new 450 grain plains bullets and 430 grain maxi's I molded up and my cheek is beat up.
Anybody else have a particular rifle that beats them up more than others?

Huntin

 

[akapennypincher]

I alway's and up with a black and blue cheek after a shooting session.

Huntin

Your observation about Stock Shape is 100 + 10 % correct. This would not happen if you Butt Stock was Shaped like a Northwest Trade Gun (Long, Fat, and THICK).

Plus as you increase the Weight of Projectile, be it Bullet, Maxi, Mini, or Ball More RECOIL is produced in pushing it out the BARREL. :m2c:






















Like with a 9mm, or other Modern Handgun Round, The Heavier the bullet the more Muzzle Flip, and Recoil is produced. Assuming you are using the Same or Larger Powder CHARGE. :imo:

 

[Rebel]

Years ago i built a CVA MT. Rifle form a kit. It would do the same thing off a bench. I finally took some wood off the top of the buttstock where my cheek rested on the cheekpiece, and that solved the problem. Then just refinished the stock.

 

[mike alexandre]

Bit of lead in the butt works well. Heavier gun less recoil.

 

[jtmattison]

This stock is too darn perty to reshape. It's a very smooth, very nicely finished piece so I don't dare mess with it.
Adding weight to it is not an option for me. It already weighs in at about eight pounds. That's heavy enough for me.
The rifle is a great shooter and I love to shoot it. Being beat up by it is the only downfall.
None of my other rifles do it to me.
It's easy to pick me out on the shooting line. I'm the guy with the black eye and the smile on my face ::

Huntin

 

[Halftail]

I got a 54 barrell for my T/C Rennegade and it was longer ,I can't remember how much longer but it beat the manure out of my cheek bone.I got tired of getting sore so I sold it.

 

How bad does it "beat you up" when shoot'n roundballs??

YMHS
rollingb

 

[akapennypincher]

How bad does it "beat you up" when shoot'n roundballs??

YMHS
rollingb

Large Calibers, Thin Half Moon Shaped Butts. OUCH...
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How bad does it "beat you up" when shoot'n roundballs??

YMHS
rollingb

Large Calibers, Thin Half Moon Shaped Butts. OUCH...
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:hmm: I don't have any recoil problem with my .58 Early Hawken and .575 roundball pushed with 110 grs. of FFG!!

Altho my rifle has more "drop" in the stock, the butt plate is still very simular!! :hmm: :haha:

YMHS
rollingb

 

[horkeye]

I alway's and up with a black and blue cheek after a shooting session.

Huntin,

Maybe you should be putting the butt to your shoulder instead of your face! :crackup:

I had a DP Tryon .451 up until recently, and after a days shooting (60 shots) my shoulder would be black & blue something shocking! My loads consisted of 65gns Pioneer 2F.

On Saturday just gone I put approx 60 rounds through my (recently aquired) DP 45/70 Creedmoor #2, and after a few rounds I noticed that my shoulder area was getting quite sore; I was positive that this would result in similar Tryon style bruising, but suprisingly it didn't.

My DP Mortimer 12g shotty always gives my a headache (despite hitting or missing the clays ) after about the tenth shot (90grns Pioneer 1F). I've now learnt to start shotgun comps with a couple of pain killers, although I am not suggesting anyone else do this!

I guess I've more or less learnt to put up with the bruising!

:redthumb:

Lehigh COunty, propa longarms.

 

[JoeC]

Huntin.
You are absolutely right about stock shape having a lot
to do with beating you up .
The last two guns i built were flintlock versions of an
English Sporting rifle , i chose this design particularly
because i was sure it would handle the recoil well,especially after getting beat up with some of my
Hawken and Pa. types with heavy loads.
The two guns i built were heavy hitters . one a .72 cal
shooting 260 gr 2f /500 gr ball , and the one i built this past fall , a 4-bore we have shot it with 400 gr 2f/ 1700 gr ball, (real serious recoil !!!!!) The .72 cal kicks more than a .458 Win mag , and almost as much as my 460 Weatherby . The 4-bore ?????? well thats another story .
The point i am trying to make , is that even tho these to
guns shove you backwards quite a bit , and are really hard on the shoulder . NO ONE who has ever shot either of them
has ever complained about gettin hit any where except the
shoulder . A properly designed stock is very important on
a heavy recoiling gun ( the 4-bore has made a couple guys take 2-3 steps backward , comical to watch ) .
Joe .

Oh yeah , i left you a response in the "Loose Conical "
post , it is definately a safety concern .

 

[jtmattison]

How bad does it "beat you up" when shoot'n roundballs??

It doesn't.
I know what you're getting at here.
Now as a norm, I only shoot PRB. But since I plan on going after some big T-bones up in Alaska I wanted to have a rifle that shoots heavy conicals for a back up to my GPR shooting roundball.
I'll stop whining about my bruises and get back to shooting roundballs :boohoo:

Huntin

 

How bad does it "beat you up" when shoot'n roundballs??

It doesn't.
I know what you're getting at here.
Now as a norm, I only shoot PRB. But since I plan on going after some big T-bones up in Alaska I wanted to have a rifle that shoots heavy conicals for a back up to my GPR shooting roundball.
I'll stop whining about my bruises and get back to shooting roundballs :boohoo:

Huntin

Have'n lived in interior Alaska (unit 12), trust me when I say thet a .530 roundball will git you big T-bones (moose) without any problem!!

Shot placement is the "key", wether it's with roundball or conical!! :thumbsup:

YMHS
rollingb

Roundballs can kill anythin thet bleeds!

 

[jtmattison]

I hear ya.
I want that conical for the bruin who might come along when I'm busy quartering my moose.
Iffin ya only got's one shot, it better be a goodin!

Huntin

 

I hear ya.
I want that conical for the bruin who might come along when I'm busy quartering my moose.
Iffin ya only got's one shot, it better be a goodin!

Huntin

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :haha:

YMHS
rollingb

 

[scott k]

Well I guess I a whimp! I was sitting at the bench on Saturday shooting prb's and didn't like the way my trade gun was hitting my cheek. I'm not black and blue but it didn't make me happy. It was the first I sat and shot it. It's got to be the shape of the cheek piece. This is the only gun I have that I noticed this with. Since the finish is already starting to be reworked I'm going to reshape the cheek piece. No sense in having a gun that's no fun to shoot :imo:
Lehigh...

 

It's not unusual to git "belted" more while shoot'n off a bench,.... how's she do, when you shoot'er "off-hand"??

YMHS
rollingb

 

[scott k]

ROLLEINGB, It was fine shooting off hand. But I wanted to reshape the gun any way. I put a cast patch box on it already and was looking for a good reason to reshape the cheek piece anyway. Needs a toe plate to!
Lehigh..

 

[Tahquamenon]

Off hand shooting right handed, I choke up with my left hand so that my elbow is tucked in next to my side. This leaves my left hand slightly forward of the trigger guard thus leaving the bulk of the rifle's weight to absorb recoil and muzzle jump.

At the range or shooting from a bench, try to choke up on the forward fore grip rest position so that your rifle is balanced similar to above. You will be using the weight of the rifle to absorb muzzle jump and recoil.

Also, hang on to the rifle. Often folks shooting heavier loads from a bench position will get pounded because they don't hang on to the rifle and it will jump much more than with off/hand. And, the farther the forward rest position is, the more muzzle jump will occur as you are reducing the percentage of barrel weight that will counter recoil.

Try the above and you will notice dramatically less recoil and muzzle jump.

If you wish to all but eliminate muzzle jump and recoil for bench rest shooting, get recoil reducing bench rest.
My bench rest is a recoil reducing type with a sling that cradles the butt plate and Velcro straps to secure the rifle down into the rest.
Don't ever permanently attach a recoil reducing bench rest to the bench. Otherwise you will be placing too much stress on your rifle stock. You still hold the rifle as normal with your shoulder firmly against the butt stock and hold the fore grip.

There is still some recoil, but very little even with the heaviest of loads from a .50BMG. This arrangement uses the weight of the bench rest to absorb recoil. I still position the rifle as described above to allow the weight of the rifle to absorb muzzle jump and recoil.

:m2c: :thumbsup:

 

[silverfox]

lehigh: See if this makes since. the jest of what I see is cheek beating not shoulder beating. This would be in stock design or cheekpad design. IMHO if the cheekpad slops upward or toward the wrist then the recoil will hit you in the cheek on recoil. If the pad slops a little downward then the recoil should go past the cheek and straight to the shoulder as the stock will drop away from the cheek as it recoils to the rear. Hope this makes a little since as it places less wood to cheek at recoil.
Fox :thumbsup: