This is a CVA Hawken. Unscrewing the breech plug on one of them is very difficult to do and to do right. It might be near impossible if the PRB is in the patent breech.
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Need help....Have a cva hawken rifle with ball stuck in it,,,
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See my post above. Not sure I would try it myself, but would probably try to find an experienced professional (unless of course, you are one). I have attached a CVA photo of a crosssection of the breech plug. I believe the main problem is you have the bolster as a screwed in integral part of the screwed in breech plug.
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There are these magical fellows that do this for a living. They are called gunsmiths... I have never had a dry ball or did round that I couldn't pull, but if I did, to the smith of go. This isn't rocket science.
This is a different way to remove the ball....try as a last resort, but does work:
My $.02 worth gents. Regarding post #5 above, not meaning to step on any toes chorizo, I'd suggest to any of you to get grease fittings with longer necks than the standard short necked ones shown. They are available in most sizes. The short ones will fit a lot of guns, but not all, I know because one of mine has a snail instead of a drum, and I can't get my grease coupling to snap onto a standard short fitting on that gun. Regarding the use of a ball puller, having one is a great accessory to have on hand, for sure. The rub is that some have a screw that is much longer than ball diameter. A longer screw than your ball is not a good thing! If you go completely through and pierce your ball, then the grease fitting method will not work at all later! I'd recommend making a collar of some sort to fit over the too-long-screw part which limits the screw length to about 3/4 of your ball diameter, that way you can't pierce the ball all the way through which leaves the grease fitting method still a viable last resort alternative. Good luck!
Just had another thought whilst typing this reply. There could have already been a dry PRB down in the barrel from before dan101955 got the gun. dan101955, to my knowledge, hasn't said that he poured powder down the barrel as it was and then seated a PRB on it, obviating that it would not fire. He only said that it "Just would not shoot right." So, until cleared up otherwise by dan101955, there is the possibility that there is a viably charged PRB sitting atop a dry ball. Gotta be real careful if that is the case.
Just had another thought whilst typing this reply. There could have already been a dry PRB down in the barrel from before dan101955 got the gun. dan101955, to my knowledge, hasn't said that he poured powder down the barrel as it was and then seated a PRB on it, obviating that it would not fire. He only said that it "Just would not shoot right." So, until cleared up otherwise by dan101955, there is the possibility that there is a viably charged PRB sitting atop a dry ball. Gotta be real careful if that is the case.
dan101955
32 Cal.
I believe the ball was not fully seated and was forced down the barrel.
Whe I checked it with the 64 ramrod it went all the way down.pr so I thought.
So when I fired off a cap to check it .It went off as normal.
I was able to fire it 2 to 3 times and that was it.
I have pictures of the rifle bore and it looks like I have removed enough pieces of the squished ball to see the primer hole.
Having trouble uploading the pictures.
Dan
Whe I checked it with the 64 ramrod it went all the way down.pr so I thought.
So when I fired off a cap to check it .It went off as normal.
I was able to fire it 2 to 3 times and that was it.
I have pictures of the rifle bore and it looks like I have removed enough pieces of the squished ball to see the primer hole.
Having trouble uploading the pictures.
Dan
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Years ago I had a larger diameter brass screw for pulling balls. It was large enough that if one of the smaller diameter ball puller acres stripped out it wold thread in.
Still confused how it fired 2 to 3 times with a stuck ball in the barrel . Maybe I'm missing something in the wording, or maybe I need a nap.
dan101955
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There must have been enough of a gap to let it fire.
Don't know other than that....
Don't know other than that....
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a partial ball that has been fired around would create the situation described. either it has melted from the 2-3 firings and closed off the fire channel or fouling build up is what would stop subsequent firing. have seen stranger things than this.
Not on a CVA. Very bad advice.
No toes mashed by any means. You provide good advice. With that said, they work for me as the CVA has a drum and plenty of room to get to it and snap on with the barrel removed.
CVA is m6x1 threaded for the nipples.
dan101955
32 Cal.
Are you sure that is a ball? Might it be the hole bored into the drum like shown in the diagram? Really hard to tell from the attached photos as there is no depth to it. You might be perceiving a "convex ball" when it is really a "concave bowl". That would explain the ability to fire and why the "bullet puller" got stuck when trying to pull. It was stuck on the drum. A rod inserted then measured will tell you yes or no. Measure from the edge of the drum to the muzzle, then measure the rod marked at the muzzle after it is inserted with a jag on. If the measurements are the same or very near the same (1/4" or less) then you likely do not have a stuck ball.
Just a wild hunch/guess based upon your ability to fire it several times, the photos and all the other things that seem to not work.
I just verified it on my 54 cal CVA with 24" barrel. 1/8 of an in or less difference.
Just a wild hunch/guess based upon your ability to fire it several times, the photos and all the other things that seem to not work.
I just verified it on my 54 cal CVA with 24" barrel. 1/8 of an in or less difference.
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Tn mtn man
32 Cal
Sounds like you need to oil it let sit. Screw ball puller in tap with a hammer then pull. If you can put rod in vice and pull
Like I said it happened to me. Bought this 50 cal. T.C. came with powder ,96 balls ,patches and more. Tryed shooting it,and it would hesitated then fire. Cleaned it and found ball and patch in . Got that out ,great shooting gun.
dan101955
32 Cal.
So, it is a button breech from 1988.
Button, breech, hook breech, the "innards" are still the same. Did you measure to see if it really has a ball in it?
I have a cva 54 that is very finnicky about crud. It it isn't fairly clean, you don't rap the butt on the ground after you you load the powder, it will hesitate ever so slightly after the cap goes off before the bang.
I have a cva 54 that is very finnicky about crud. It it isn't fairly clean, you don't rap the butt on the ground after you you load the powder, it will hesitate ever so slightly after the cap goes off before the bang.
