Need help identifying defarbed repro Enfield's markings

[CKGreene]

I have a nicely defarbed Enfield 3-band Tower in .58 caliber. In an effort to identify the maker I have included pictures of markings on the underside of the barrel and in the stock's barrel channel. I am asking for help identifying the maker. The serial number has been defarbed away. I've looked all over the barrel and the underside and breech plug are the only places where I see stamps.

Inside the stock, I cannot discern the black markings. They could be "9&1" or "981", considering how Europeans write the numeral "1", I don't think it's a "7".
On the underside of the barrel it looks like "DDG", but I do not know whose mark that is.
Lastly is the back of the breech plug with a five star stamp over "PN" and a five star stamp over a crest.

I appreciate any help.

 

[kh54]

DGG = Armi San Paolo, Italy. (At least I’m pretty sure…)

 

[CKGreene]

DGG = Armi San Paolo, Italy. (At least I’m pretty sure…)

Thank you. That gave me enough intel to research further and it checks out according to the Euroarms website: http://www.euroarms.net/euroarms_netPages/MARKING.htm.

 

[Rudyard]

Thank you. That gave me enough intel to research further and it checks out according to the Euroarms website: http://www.euroarms.net/euroarms_netPages/MARKING.htm.

Old post but PN is Poudre noire _ Black powder in French probably Italian too' poudre ***** '
.Rudyard

 

[aussie pete]

Thank you. That gave me enough intel to research further and it checks out according to the Euroarms website: http://www.euroarms.net/euroarms_netPages/MARKING.htm.

Yep. You got it. PN: Italian marking for Black Powder. How does it shoot? What's your favourite load?

Cheers, Pete

 

[CKGreene]

Yep. You got it. PN: Italian marking for Black Powder. How does it shoot? What's your favourite load?

Cheers, Pete

I'll be out at the range on Saturday the 14th. I'll try to get some pics and such for this thread then.

 

[aussie pete]

I'll be out at the range on Saturday the 14th. I'll try to get some pics and such for this thread then.

All the best. Don't go trying to go too far at first. Perhaps 25, then 50 . Probably not your first rodeo.

Cheers, Pete

 

[CKGreene]

All the best. Don't go trying to go too far at first. Perhaps 25, then 50 . Probably not your first rodeo.

Cheers, Pete

Pete,

25 Yards, offhand. The perfectly cut holes are .576", 400 grain, semi-wadcutters from a RCBS mould. The ragged holes are .575", 525 grain, Minié balls from a Lee mould. I'm burning 70 grains of 3F Goex. Notice the hammer bounce in picture 2. This is due to the old percussion cones with a wide open orifice. I keep those for siphon cleaning attaching a hose and placing the other end in a bucket of soapy water, then you know the rest. I need to get the percussion cone with the more restricted orifice. The larger diameter semi-wadcutters are more accurate. My aiming point was at 7:00 O'clock.

 

[aussie pete]

Pete,

25 Yards, offhand. The perfectly cut holes are .576", 400 grain, semi-wadcutters from a RCBS mould. The ragged holes are .575", 525 grain, Minié balls from a Lee mould. I'm burning 70 grains of 3F Goex. Notice the hammer bounce in picture 2. This is due to the old percussion cones with a wide open orifice. I keep those for siphon cleaning attaching a hose and placing the other end in a bucket of soapy water, then you know the rest. I need to get the percussion cone with the more restricted orifice. The larger diameter semi-wadcutters are more accurate. My aiming point was at 7:00 O'clock.

Nicely done! Those wadcutters cut a neat circle, don't they?

Cheers, Pete

 

[TFoley]

Old post but PN is Poudre noire _ Black powder in French probably Italian too' poudre ***** '
.Rudyard

Polvero nero in Italian.

 

[TFoley]

Pete,

25 Yards, offhand. The perfectly cut holes are .576", 400 grain, semi-wadcutters from a RCBS mould. The ragged holes are .575", 525 grain, Minié balls from a Lee mould. I'm burning 70 grains of 3F Goex. Notice the hammer bounce in picture 2. This is due to the old percussion cones with a wide open orifice. I keep those for siphon cleaning attaching a hose and placing the other end in a bucket of soapy water, then you know the rest. I need to get the percussion cone with the more restricted orifice. The larger diameter semi-wadcutters are more accurate. My aiming point was at 7:00 O'clock.

'Percussion cone'? Any time soon that 'percussion cone' - we call it a 'nipple', BTW - is going to open up enough to blow that cock right off, maybe damaging the shooter.

Change it now!

 

[TFoley]

Lastly is the back of the breech plug with a five star stamp over "PN" and a five star stamp over a crest.

I appreciate any help.

The crest is the coat of arms of the city of Gardone Val Trompia, location of the national proof house of the republic of Italy, whose sign is the star.

All of this has been covered, very recently, by me and others, in extensive detail

 

[CKGreene]

Nicely done! Those wadcutters cut a neat circle, don't they?

Cheers, Pete

Yes, those are cast by the RCBS mould, HODG .576. They are hollow-based.

 

[CKGreene]

The crest is the coat of arms of the city of Gardone Val Trompia, location of the national proof house of the republic of Italy, whose sign is the star.

All of this has been covered, very recently, by me and others, in extensive detail

We appreciate - especially me - the review.

 

[CKGreene]

'Percussion cone'? Any time soon that 'percussion cone' - we call it a 'nipple', BTW - is going to open up enough to blow that cock right off, maybe damaging the shooter.

Change it now!

"Nipple"?? How rude!!

 

[kh54]

Proof marks and date codes do get mentioned a lot but for new users I don't mind the repetition. For all the references, I don't think I've ever seen "PN" translated correctly: PN = polvere nera. Polvere is a feminine noun. And now you know...

 

[TFoley]

Proof marks and date codes do get mentioned a lot but for new users I don't mind the repetition. For all the references, I don't think I've ever seen "PN" translated correctly: PN = polvere nera. Polvere is a feminine noun. And now you know...

Twice in a week - electrons are cheap...

 

[dave951]

Yes, those are cast by the RCBS mould, HODG .576. They are hollow-based.

That is the RCBS Hogdon and they shoot very well. Did you check your bore size? I have yet to see a Euroarms at .576, most are .579+ and your accuracy will improve with a larger minie.


Here's a 10 shot group, rapid fire, offhand at 50yd with the same bullet

 

[CKGreene]

At 25 yards I should back off on the 70 grain charge of 3F. I have not measured the bore myself, but the .576" bullet just barely makes it through the bore, but as it's pushed down it goes down easier.