Dang, guys! Thanks. I have been a 4H leader for years an the shotgun side of it. And a fairly serious trapshooter. We ran out of a muzzleloader leader a couple years ago. This year we had 4 kids want to shoot. I was kinda voluntold by my wife and extension agent. Need to get my trigger finger retrained! But i have some good help and great kids, along with support for supplies i need. Now to figure out what to lube patches with.... didnt realize how big of a rabbit hole that was!