New Movie The Revenant?

[Claude Mathis]

Get rid of the part where he buys a Hawkins in .30 cal. Was he going to the mountains to hunt squirrel?

Wasn't he trapping, not hunting? :wink:

 

[tenngun]

Hawkin brothers made a few small bore guns. The bass pro shop here in Springfield has a .30somthing brass mounted rifle. .... I think that when they wrote the movie Jeremiah Johnson the writer didn't know the difference between bore and caliber. A 30 bore would in fact be about .56 caliber. Since they often used caliber for bore back in the day. George Washington had a pair of "32 caliber" pistols. They were what we called today .54.

 

[George]

I think you are right, it was a misunderstand of what was meant by caliber. There are two possibiities.

In late 18th century they used the term 'caliber' to mean 'balls to the pound', as Cleator did in 1791:

*In speaking of the size of the caliber we mean by 22 or 24 that so many balls exactly fitting it weigh just one pound and every caliber is marked in the same way."

But that was a long time ago. What I think is more likely in 1970 is a misunderstanding of the difference between calibers in black powder weapons and smokeless ones. A .30 caliber BP gun is a squirrel rifle, but a .30 caliber smokeless one is a powerful big game gun. Most modern folks, possibly including that screenwriter, would not appreciate the difference.

Spence

 

[Artificer]

I don’t think the Hawkins boys would have even made a rifle at their St. Louis shop in .30. I always heard they were from .50 to .62. Also, it would be tough to find an actor that would make it believable.

Back in 1971 I visited my Brother and Sister in Law in Denver, CO. They lived in what had once been a 19th century Mansion that had been subdivided into apartments. There was a small museum in a house a few blocks away and in a large glass case, there was a .22 Caliber Hawken with the normal "Mountain Rifle" size barrel. The hole in the barrel looked tiny. Original .22 Caliber round balls and pouch for them were in the case as well. The Hawkens were known for making sporting guns, pistols and shotguns besides their "Mountain Rifles." I suspect that this rifle was some kind of Gallery Rifle.

Gus

 

[tenngun]

Hawkin brothers made a few small bore guns. The bass pro shop here in Springfield has a .30somthing brass mounted rifle. .... I think that when they wrote the movie Jeremiah Johnson the writer didn't know the difference between bore and caliber. A 30 bore would in fact be about .56 caliber. Since they often used caliber for bore back in the day. George Washington had a pair of "32 caliber" pistols. They were what we called today .54.

just wanted to say its in bass pros firearm muesem ...an origanal ...not some brass mounter 70s 'hawken'

 

[coloradoclyde]

There was a small museum in a house a few blocks away and in a large glass case, there was a .22 Caliber Hawken

I would love to have a .22 cal muzzleloader....I think that would be cool as beans...
Just think how far lead and powder would go.......heck with 209 primers you might not even need powder.... :haha:

 

[tenngun]

I see itty-bitty ramrods an my cumsy finger :shake:

 

[Snakebite]

Back in the late 70s we had a club in Austin Texas and one of our members took an old .22 rifle barrel, welded a breach plug to the end and filed flats on the barrel and made a rifle out of it. It was pretty cool. He shot .22cal pellets out of it with about 10 grains of powder if I remember. It was pretty cool. He also took a fence post and made a rifle out of that. This guy was a little "different".

 

[spudnut]

:haha: :haha: :haha:

"And Jerry Mathers as the beaver"

 

[Nifeman]

Anyone heard anything else about the movie, trailers or anything??

 

[Rusty_Nail]

"And Jerry Mathers as the beaver"

Ward, have you seen the Beaver lately?

Not in quite a while June, as you well know! :haha:

 

[Matt PA]

I do know that a well known local (to me anyway :grin: ) PA gunbuilder supplied the rifles that Decaprio uses in the movie.....I held one of them a while back.
Will be pretty interesting to see how correctly they are handled in the movie! :thumbsup:

(I don't know how much more I can say about them right now because I know he had to sign a non disclosure agreement....but that was before the movie was announced? I just don't want to accidentally blow him out of the water! Just know that the rifles are historically accurate to what Glass supposedly carried so that part should be accurate)

 

[Alden]

I heard they all used T/C Hawkens except DeCaprio who carried a CVA Mountain Rifle and an exaggeratedly large bowie-knife.

 

[Nifeman]

I heard they all used T/C Hawkens except DeCaprio who carried a CVA Mountain Rifle and an exaggeratedly large bowie-knife.

Huh, don't see if it's supposed to be period correct, how it could have been a Bowie. Wasn't designed until 1830 and this took place 7 years earlier.. :hmm:

 

[Matt PA]

The trailer was just released......

Revenant Trailer Link

 

[Kansas Jake]

Interesting.

 

[MacRob46]

The trailer seems to show a number of short land pattern muskets in use which may or may not be appropriate. Undoubtedly some were still around in the 1820s. If I understand the storyline, Glass is not the victim of a bear attack this time, instead was severely wounded in the Indian attack. I also cringed when I saw the term "Inspired by True Events" in the trailer. That usually means that most of what you are going to see is fictional. At any rate, I will go see it and compare it, probably, to "Man in the Wilderness" a good but flawed picture on the same subject.

 

[Matt PA]

I had to watch it twice to see that there is a scene where he is attacked by the bear and then they show him crawling away.......
Seems like a very "gray" overall film.....hard to get a bead on the guns the clips move so quickly.
I think I saw Decaprio carrying 3 different long guns at points in that trailer but I know his primary rifle in the film is a Bucks Co style longrifle.

 

[mooman76]

I might actually go see it. Haven't been much of a movie goer in past few years but the wife and I have been going more just as a something to do to get out of the house more. I'm not a big fan of Leonardo either. I liked some of his first movies but nothing he has done lately.

 

[bubba.50]

just saw the trailer. interestin' enough to me that it'll probably be a Christmas present to myself to go see it. fans of mountain man/western movies don't get a lot to choose from these days.