New purchase

[Marlow Kurtz]

Alright gentleman & gentlewoman so I'm making my second black powder purchase and I'm stuck between a 1851 navy London a 1861 navy and a 1862 Police I have a 1851 American standard navy my main use for them is as a ranch patrol gun and small critter getter when I'm out whacking around the property and to protect myself from those "Deliverance people" if I ever bump into them lol but I'd like to here from y'all what might be better a brace of 51's or would one of these othere six guns be just as good and fun

 

[Whitworth]

The 1861 fills the hand better than the 1862 Police and offers 6 shots. I've got them all and my 51 is my favorite shooter of the Colt models. The 1851 loading system is more robust than the the 1860, 61 and 62 IMHO. YMMV

 

[Musketeer]

I've always liked the idea of having a brace of handguns that are identical or nearly so. For that reason I'd probably go with the London. It will be different enough with it's steel backstrap and trigger guard to be interesting and satisfy that itch for something new, but it is for all intents and purposes the same gun, so you have the familiarity factor as well as (most) parts and accessories in common.

 

[jdesro]

I'd have to agree with the above two posters. I'd go with the '51 London out of the ones you are considering.

 

[Treestalker]

Keep your Navy '51 for pest control; buy a pair (at Least!) of .44 'Navies for Deliverance Transient Control. If you must have another .36 (or more) please consider the London Navy. I myself have two Remington '58's'; one steel and one brass, both '44's, and three .44 brass 'Navies'. Lots of 'New York' reloads! Also have a .36 steel '51 Navy that needs rebuilding. It's an 'Avenging Angel'.

 

[Marlow Kurtz]

Well sadly guys both orders I made with cimarron firearms today for first a 1851navy London and then a 1861 navy got kicked back as cancelled do to being out of stock even though the still have the items up for order but it looks like I'm S.O.L unless any of y'all might have the lead on we're I could find one of these six guns I was thinking maybe Dixie or track by chance has any one here made a order from one of these guys that went through on a uberti recently??

 

[B P Arn]

I've always liked the idea of having a brace of handguns that are identical or nearly so. For that reason I'd probably go with the London. It will be different enough with it's steel backstrap and trigger guard to be interesting and satisfy that itch for something new, but it is for all intents and purposes the same gun, so you have the familiarity factor as well as (most) parts and accessories in common.

I have never owned two identical handguns, although I have liked the idea of owning matching left and right handed holsters.

I don't like small framed Colt revolvers, or any BP revolver in 30 caliber.

That said, if I wanted to carry two, I would have two six shot revolvers; one 36 caliber, and one 44 caliber. I would put the 36 caliber gun (Colt 1851 type) in a crossdraw holster on my left side, and a 44 caliber gun (Colt or Remington type) on my right side. Neither holster would have a flap, and both holsters would have a non-PC leather thong retention system. Both holsters and the belt would be tan in color.

I am right handed, and I would reverse the setup if I were left handed.

 

[Marlow Kurtz]

I have never owned two identical handguns, although I have liked the idea of owning matching left and right handed holsters.

I don't like small framed Colt revolvers, or any BP revolver in 30 caliber.

That said, if I wanted to carry two, I would have two six shot revolvers; one 36 caliber, and one 44 caliber. I would put the 36 caliber gun (Colt 1851 type) in a crossdraw holster on my left side, and a 44 caliber gun (Colt or Remington type) on my right side. Neither holster would have a flap, and both holsters would have a non-PC leather thong retention system. Both holsters and the belt would be tan in color.

I am right handed, and I would reverse the setup if I were left handed.

see iv always like the idea of a 1860 army on a strong side draw with a 36. In a shoulder holster as a new York reload but then again iv never had to shot it out with bad men with ball & cap six guns .......but maybe in a different time

 

[Sam squanch]

If only Ned Beatty had a 1851 navy.....

 

[jdesro]

Well sadly guys both orders I made with cimarron firearms today for first a 1851navy London and then a 1861 navy got kicked back as cancelled do to being out of stock even though the still have the items up for order but it looks like I'm S.O.L unless any of y'all might have the lead on we're I could find one of these six guns I was thinking maybe Dixie or track by chance has any one here made a order from one of these guys that went through on a uberti recently??

I've ordered a few thing from Dixie this past month. Their website seems to be up to date on in stock items. Unfortunately, the Uberti London 1851 is out of stock at Dixie. The do have the Uberti 1861 in stock, though.

Just be aware that if you do order from Dixie that their order processing has been pretty slow lately - like a good two weeks from the time you place your order until it actually ships. Probably the Shanghai Shivers has a lot to do with it.

They are a good company, though, and I want to give them my business, so I don't mind the wait.

 

[Marlow Kurtz]

I've ordered a few thing from Dixie this past month. Their website seems to be up to date on in stock items. Unfortunately, the Uberti London 1851 is out of stock at Dixie. The do have the Uberti 1861 in stock, though.

Just be aware that if you do order from Dixie that their order processing has been pretty slow lately - like a good two weeks from the time you place your order until it actually ships. Probably the Shanghai Shivers has a lot to do with it.

They are a good company, though, and I want to give them my business, so I don't mind the wait.

I was looking at there 61s and i buy from them pretty regularly I was curious about there shipping times on firearms i figured it be slow but like you said there business is pretty fair so I'm probably just going to order through them.......... And might I say the "Shanghai shivers" is one of the funniest way iv heard someone reference what's going on lmao once I figure out the emoji thing here I'll leave you some

 

[snuffy19608]

Dixie Gun Works has the 1861 Navy in stock, just ordered one. They don't list it as a "London" per se, but it has the steel backstrap and trigger guard. Just ordered one the other day. Page 5 under handguns, percussion.

 

[nkbj]

Marlow, do you have hogs running in your area?

 

[Notchy Bob]

If you are really concerned about meeting any of the "Deliverance people," and feel you need to be armed, it might be a good idea to have one of the unmentionables as part of your equipment.

However, regarding the Navies, I think it's hard to beat the original '51 for appearance and balance. One thing to think about is whether you want to square-back or oval triggerguard. I like the looks of the square-back, but some people find them to be knuckle-busters.

Best regards,

Notchy Bob

 

[Sandy Jarrell]

Try www.possibleshop.com I just bought an 1860 Army, balls, wads, belt and holster and Treso replacement nipples from them. Great service and fast shipping.

 

[Boston Bill]

If you are really concerned about meeting any of the "Deliverance people," and feel you need to be armed, it might be a good idea to have one of the unmentionables as part of your equipment.

However, regarding the Navies, I think it's hard to beat the original '51 for appearance and balance. One thing to think about is whether you want to square-back or oval triggerguard. I like the looks of the square-back, but some people find them to be knuckle-busters.

Best regards,

Notchy Bob

Must be me, unmentionable and c and b revolvers all are knuckle-busters. I have to try really hard to grip a revolver so that doesn't happen. And I really like to shoot a revolver at times.

 

[Notchy Bob]

Must be me, unmentionable and c and b revolvers all are knuckle-busters. I have to try really hard to grip a revolver so that doesn't happen. And I really like to shoot a revolver at times.

One thing that works for me, in shooting revolvers, is to curl my little finger under the bottom strap, or the base of the grip. I've heard it said that the old Colt revolver grips are small because people "had smaller hands back then." However, it is my understanding that the grips were intentionally made that way to allow curling the little finger under the grip. This does two things: It prevents "crowding" your fingers on the grip and up against the triggerguard, and it prevents the revolver grip from riding up in your hand with recoil.

This works well for me.

Best regards,

Notchy Bob

 

[Boston Bill]

Sounds good. Now I just have to remember to give it a try. lol

 

[sourdough]

I'm making my second black powder purchase and I'm stuck between a 1851 Navy London, a 1861 Navy, and a 1862 Police. I have a 1851 Navy. My main use for them is as a ranch patrol gun and small critter getter when I'm out whacking around the property and to protect myself from those "Deliverance people" if I ever bump into them. LOL I'd like to hear from y'all what might be better: a brace of 51's or would one of these other six guns be just as good and fun?

Marlow,

I edited your post for the quote.

As has been stated above, I concur with the idea that the 1851 Navy .36 is perfect for balance, and as Notchy Bob stated, curling of the pinky finger under the butt is absolutely foremost insofar as gripping the revolver, no matter whether the trigger guard is round or a squareback. I think Colt realized this when producing the 1860 Army .44 and added over 1/4" to the gripframe length. I have a Pietta Navy 4-screw CFS to which I replaced the Navy gripframe assembly with an 1860 Army gripframe assembly. It works well for my long fingers. I also like shoulder stocks:

Midway USA has a revolver in stock that would be a match for your upcoming brace. I have bought two revolvers from Midway in the past two years (pre-pandemic and not in a holiday season) and had the gun here in four days. The price is not bad considering the current Italian manufacturing situation (pandemic lockdowns) and the holiday season. Midway sometime does free shipping. Inquire about it.

Pietta 1851 Navy Black Powder Revolver 36 Cal 7.5 Barrel Steel Frame (midwayusa.com)

As an aside, since you seem to not know what your next endeavor is, let me tell you it it going to get worse, depending upon your bank account.

I am afflicted with an incurable disease known as parts changer syndrome. Once you get it, there is no turning back. The Pietta 1851 Navy .36 revolvers are like LEGOs insofar as parts changing.

I create/collect Confederate 1851 Navy .36 "type" revolvers based upon the Pietta 1851 Navy .36 revolver. I have a Schneider & Glassick, a Griswold & Gunnison (both brass frame), a Rigdon & Ansley, an Augusta Machine Works, and a Leech & Rigdon (all steel frame).

The L&R is my favorite. I used a Pietta 1851 Navy .36 as a donor revolver (from Cabela's years ago for $170) with a part round/part octagon barrel and smooth/plain cylinder from VTI for nearly $200, and some nice wood that I acquired from a friend as opposed to the plain straight grained quarter-sawn walnut of the original. I have since sold all of the extraneous parts and recouped some of my investment.

If you don't want to go that route, DGW has a Uberti L&R but it has an engraved Navy cylinder which is not historically correct for $335. Earlier versions had the plain cylinder.

RH0611 Uberti Leech and Rigdon Revolver (dixiegunworks.com)

If you want photos of the other Confederate revolvers I have I will start another thread.

Regards,

Jim

 

[Marlow Kurtz]

Marlow, do you have hogs running in your area?

there out and about but iv never ran across any that were close enough to make me uncomfortable I try to keep a long gun handy for if they ever do wonder to close to camp or what have you