New Woodsrunner getting it dialed in 3f goex vs swiss

[FishDFly]

If Goex is such a substandard powder, I wonder why I see more cans of it on the line at Friendship than the other brands?

 

[olskool]

But I assume you wouldn't use that for hunting?

i don't use it for hunting, but i sold a 40cal Kibler to a man in TENN. i told about the lube. he left his gun overnight with it and tried it the next morning with no ill effects, it shot fine. then he loaded it and killed a deer at about 80 or 90 yds. with that lube that had been loaded overnight. but i would not leave it loaded longer than that with it being water,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[Sagebrush]

i would leve it loaded longer than that with it being water,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Gotcha.

 

[RocketMan58]

I have been a hand loader since 1967 when I was a kid. I used to want the hottest and most speed out of everything I shot. then when I started to get some sense, that usually happens around 40-45 years old, I stopped worrying so much about speed and concentrating on accuracy. to me that is way more important! I like goex, it is cheaper than Swiss, every bit as accurate, made in the USA and dose not leave a hard powder ring 2in from the breach like Swiss, and 60gr. will kill most things that need killen,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

50 years ago I had a fly fishing mentor who used to say that there were 3 phases in a fishermen's life. 1) The most fish- 2)The biggest fish- 3) The quality of the experience. I didn't get it so much back then but as I rounded 45 or so, I could see the truth in that. FWIW, I feel this sentiment transfers directly to most shooting sports as well. At 66, I just enjoy the process of doing it.

 

[FishDFly]

Same has been said about hunting.

 

[rbeave]

If Goex is such a substandard powder, I wonder why I see more cans of it on the line at Friendship than the other brands?

I'm not saying goex is substandard.. didn't intend for it to come across that way. Just voicing my observations....to answer your question.. being usa made more available and cheaper is probably a few good reasons

 

[olskool]

me and my daddy hunted together all of my life. one day when he was about 60 and i was about 36 I went to his house and said Hey let's go deer hunting! he said no I don't want to anymore, I said why? he said you will see one day, now at 67 I know what he meant,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[gunpa]

I enjoy target shooting and plinking more than hunting. Just because there's more shooting involved and I'm old! What can I say?

 

[oldwood]

Using a 1975 era Getz 44" 1 turn in 60" twist barrel , shot 80 gr. FFFG .490 ball /patch .015 . This a sweet spot load for the barrel listed. This load works in all the other turn in 60" barrels , as well. Killed many Pa. deer w/ this load shooting out to 125 yds.. Powders used , Goex , and Graf's , both FFFG. Replaced the touch hole liner in about 1988 , due to a noticeable drop in accuracy.

 

[olskool]

Not to divert this thread but can a newbie ask if Elephant brand powder something to be avoided? BP is very rare in my area ( due to state regulations) but I was finally able to find a shop that had FFF Elephant brand in stock. I grabbed 3 lbs. Did I waste my money?

a friend of mine got a couple of cans of elephant powder about a year ago. he brought it out to my house on one of our shooting sessions. we shot a bunch of it that day and to me it shot and cleaned up as good as anything else. i would use it in a with no problem,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[RocketMan58]

a friend of mine got a couple of cans of elephant powder about a year ago. he brought it out to my house on one of our shooting sessions. we shot a bunch of it that day and to me it shot and cleaned up as good as anything else. i would use it in a with no problem,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Thank you for that. Given I have 3 lbs of it, it's either going to be run all 500 loads of it through the 40 cal or start building a cannon

 

[atvguns]

Not to divert this thread but can a newbie ask if Elephant brand powder something to be avoided? BP is very rare in my area ( due to state regulations) but I was finally able to find a shop that had FFF Elephant brand in stock. I grabbed 3 lbs. Did I waste my money?

Elephant hasn't been made for years but I bought a pound at a auction over a year ago and shot it all up and it worked just fine. As long as it has been stored in a dry place it will still be good

 

[mrfritz44]

I'm no expert, but the owner of Dixons recommended Swiss as the match shooters' choice.

 

[olskool]

I'm no expert, but the owner of Dixons recommended Swiss as the match shooters' choice.

I am no expert either, but here is a 3 shot group fired offhand by me at 50yds using goex 2f in my 54 SMR, this gun would do this when i did my part, Swiss is no better than that in my non expert opinion,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[waksupi]

There was one lot of Elephant that was bad, at about the same time GOEX had a bad batch. I'd bought a case of Elephant, probably my 2nd or 3rd case, and it became clear very quickly something was wrong. It wouldn't stay on the paper at 25 yards, from a rifle that usually used one hole at that range. I called Petrochemical, and was told they were aware of the problem. They told me to dump the powder on my lawn for fertilizer, and sent me a new case of a different lot that worked fine.
I didn't dump the powder on the lawn, we used it on 4th of July and other occasions for cannon and mortar salutes.

 

[bldtrailer]

whatever the powder take the time to work up the best load for your refile (one small change at a time) a good lube patch and steady bench rest
.50 490 ball self made, mutton tallow lube, denum 10oz patch swiss 3f + or- 70 grns works for me (my gezt,bob hoyt green mtn barrels all like this )

 

[Clark Badgett]

Goex is a very weak powder compared to everything else, except maybe the old Elephant Powder. I used Goex for years, as it was readily available, and considered the "standard". Here are real chrono results, in as close a comparison as I can do to your Woodsrunner.

.50 pedersoli Blue Ridge. 39" barrel, .015 patch, .490 rb

75 grain Swiss

1754
1696.
1722.
1769.
1768

90 grain Swiss 3f

1974
1999
1992

60 gr. Swiss 3f prb

1700
1678
1696


Goex 3f 90 gr. prb

1629
1687
1691

Goex 75 prb

1587
1554
1572

Goex 60 prb

1496
1512
1476

I have found Schutzen to be less powerful than Goex. It’s always given slower velocities than Goex in everything I used it in.

 

[Mogadishu Meanderer]

Elephant, best powder ever!… but stay away from it!!

 

[waksupi]

Elephant, best powder ever!… but stay away from it!!

Considering it hasn't been made in years, easy to do!

 

[Smokey Plainsman]

If Goex is such a substandard powder, I wonder why I see more cans of it on the line at Friendship than the other brands?

I’ve used a lot of it and it’s always worked well for me.

Maybe I’m just stoopid?