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Hello, I hope to get started shooting this weekend. I have an older .50 t/c Hawken and waiting on a .54 renegade to arrive. I hope to shoot the renegade Saturday and would like to hear some pointers on the best way of cleaning and any other advice yall can give. I'll be using Goex FF and prb and maybe a few conicals. The Hawken is not in the greatest shape due to improper cleaning and storage and I don't want this to happen to the renegade.
Thanks in advance.
 
Welcome. Your addiction has only started. Soon, you will have many more black powder arms or atleast want them. Seriously, you will get many opinions on ways to clean your rifle. They are generally all good and everyone seems to choose what "works best for them". For me, personally, It is a very simple process. I try to stay as traditional as possible. Water and lube. That's it. After a shooting session, if shooting a flintlock, I remove the lock, plug the vent hole, poor water down the barrel. Room temperature water, it doesn't necessarily have to be boiling hot water. For me, personally, boiling water causes too many problems with flash rust no matter how much I try to prevent it. I just use water from my canteen. If shooting a caplock, remove the nipple and plug that hole and do the same. Pour the water out. It will be thick and black. Fill your barrel again with water and pour it out. It will be black, but not as much as the first time. I now screw the "jag" onto the end of my ramrod and run some water soaked cotton patches down the barrel. They will get a little cleaner each time. Now, I do the same with dry patches until they are clean. Now for a little lube. In the "old days", folks found that beef tallow and other fats from animals worked as a good lube and rust preventive on firearms. I use a product sold by Dixie Gunworks in Tennessee called "old zip". It comes in a can resembling a large can of shoe polish. It is a mixture of mutten tallow and beeswax. I have found it to be an excellent lube for both the bore and exterior wiping down of the barrel. Flush your nipple out with water, dry it good and use a pipe cleaner to lube it, but don't actually block the hole. That is how I clean my arms. I am forty now and I have been cleaning them this way since my late 20s and my guns have stayed clean and do not fail me. Others prefer modern solvents and things of that nature and that is fine. Send us a range report :hatsoff:
 
I have TC Hawken and Renegade. The suggested cleaning will work fine,however, the TC's are hooked breech. I would knock out the barrel wedge and remove the lock, unhook the barrel, remove the nipple. Set the breech in a small plastic bucket of warm water and using a jag and patch pump water up and down in the barrel. Take the barrel and lay on towels or rags and run a powder solvent up and down in the barrel and finally a lightly oiled patch after the barrel is clean. Wipe the outside of the barrel and around the nipple area with solvent and then wipe with oiled cloth. Wipe and clean the lock the same way, using q-tips to clean up in the hammer pocket and lightly oil. Wipe the stock down with Johnsons wax and reassemble the rifle. Check it from time to time(during storage) by running a clean patch down the barrel and then reoil it. Clean the nipple and put a dab of antiseize grease on the threads,replace nipple and don't overtighten it. That's how I do it, your milage may vary.
 
As stated, there seem to be as many cleaning methods as shooters and many of them work just as well as others. One thing I have found to be helpful is to get the gun all but clean at the range. For this I run a few patched inside and out with Ballistol while the barrel is still warm and the powder soft. Seems to make the final cleaning step so much easier. I use the thirds mix of Murphys Oil soap, alcohol, and peroxide to clean the bore. Works great, but plain old water will work too.
 
Couple of things, you don't need anything except water and some gun oil. You do need to remove the barrel, the lock and the nipple. With the breech end down into water, pump the cleaning rod with a patch vigorously so it forces crud out of the “patent” breech. This will keep a TC working perfectly forever.
If you must shoot conicals and any part of lead touches the barrel it will leave leading. The water method will not remove this leading. Use a commercial lead remover, it is the easiest way. Better yet forget the conical!
 
Like Stormcrow, I like Balistol, both to help with cleaning and as a protectant. BTW, Balistol is water soulable. Around the hammer and nipple, I use carburator cleaner, in a spray can. Its cheap, works well and cleans the hole in the nipple better than anything else I have tried. It will remoe all traces of oil, so remember to re-oil the hammer area.....Robin
 
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Like they all said I used to clean my T/C in the kitchen sink and boil water and plug sink and dump it in prolly doesn't have to be this hot but my barrel never went bad. One more thing to add if you have an air commpresser and blow gun stick the end of it where you removed the nipple and blow it out good with the air helps dry it and removes any left over extras they might be there. whipe barrel down with a decent oil product and reassemble. Then run a few oiled patches downt he barrel and u r done. Ohh blow out the nipple real good too.
 
Welcome to the forum! IMO, use WARM water with a couple drops of Dawn. The Dawn breaks the surface tension of the water. I agree with removing the barrel and cleaning it in a plastic bucket. Ballistol is one of the best cleaners and lubes. I personally don't like WD-40 for rust prevention.
 
First of all I'd really like to say thanks for the advice. I had this addiction since i was a child, just haven't indulged often. Good to know strait water will work, seems like that would cut down on the steps( no rinsing ). I will remove the barrel for cleaning, Should I remove the breech plug? As easy are yall are making it sound, I might get the CVA Express rifle out of the safe and try it out, I traded for it a while back and it appears unfired I just wasn't looking forward to cleaning a double.
On a side note I will only use prb if the gun will group them, I'm thinking a starting load of 80g FF and work from there.
Out of curiosity, would WD40 help or hurt as a drying agent, followed with balistol for protection? I won't allow wd in the same room as my other guns but it looks like this might be a place for it.
Thanks again for the replies.
 
Never remove the breech plug! There is no need to, and it will cause major problems. No, it wouldn't hurt to use WD-40, but it's not necessary. You could use something like Hoppes #9, if you can't find Ballistol. I've used Ballistol and removed stuff from the barrel that other cleaners didn't. Ballistol DOES have an odor though! :haha:
 
I would also add to the cleaning methods above: To help dry the barrel after the water pump cleaning method, I plug the nipple and pour a little bit of isopropyl rubbing alcohol down the muzzle. Then I plug the muzzle with my fingers and slosh it around, back and forth like a teeter totter, to make sure the alcohol reaches both the breech end and the muzzle of the rifle barrel..then pour it out. This helps dry out any remaining water. You can then oil the inside of the bore.
 
I agree with ebiggs, water and water only is all that you need for cleaning. And any temperature will do, I use room temperature water, some insist on boiling water claiming that it heats the barrel and helps to dry but it makes no difference, just drain well and then wipe with clean patches. Then oil, I use 3-in-1 Oil but any good gun oil will do, no reason to get fancy.
 
Great, Balistol is hard to find here, I was going to order some. I have PLENTY of Hoppes 9.
 
Alcohol, why didn't I think of that? I'm a lot more comfortable with that. As humid as it is here I'll need all the help I can get
 
You can also use a hair dryer to help dry the barrel out as well. I would also advise to run a tight,oiled patch down the barrel after a few days and see if there is any rust forming in the barrel, That is something I constantly keep an eye on.
 
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