NMLRA

[flintlock50]

Well said sir! As someone smarter than I am said a long time ago WE ALL HANG TOGETHER OR WE WILL BE HUNG SEPARATELY. The NMLRA has tried to provide something for all in B.P. shooting from primitive (A large shooting program including archery, tomahawk & knife.)To limited in-line ( 2matches) shooting. And most things in between. If you don't like in-lines (which I don't) don't shoot them they are not allowed in the majority of matches sponsered by the NMLRA.They have no programs encouraging the use of the abominations but they have not declared war on them as some seem to feel they should. Obviously we will never all agree on NMLRA actions but we do need to find some common ground or politically we are in trouble.

 

Well said sir! As someone smarter than I am said a long time ago WE ALL HANG TOGETHER OR WE WILL BE HUNG SEPARATELY.

We hear this alot. "If we don't include everyone and everything we'll all lose our guns!"

There's a point where this begins to sound like socialism, when people don't want you to have a club with any degree of exclusivity.

I guess we should allow inlines and BP cartridge guns on this forum? Why not? Then we can add archery too! After all, "weapon owners" need to stick together. First they take our guns, then our bows.

How about just letting people that don't like a club, not join and don't tell them that they aren't "carrying their load" if they don't get in step? Don't forget, one of our freedoms is to not join something.

 

[Packdog]

I have learned a lot about the the NMLRA from this thread but also a couple of really good things. There is a Rondy a few hours away from my location and the NMLRA offers 4 scholarships per year. I have 3 teenagers. :hmm:
I'm glad I took the time to look over their website for myself and investigate some of the things that have been said.

I hope someone within the upper leadership of the NMLRA will read the thread and respond to a few comments. Sounds like they may learn a few things as well.

 

[Bill/Ms.]

I will stand by my statement that there is no place in a match sanctioned by the National MUZZLELOADING Rifle Association for a breechloading rifle. It ain't a muzzleloader.
PawBill

 

[tg]

" WE ALL HANG TOGETHER OR WE WILL BE HUNG SEPARATELY'

Thias one always comes up when those try to defend the policies of this org, I for one would much rather hang alone than in the company of those who have sold out to the $ and the idea od accepting modern type guns in the sport and hunting seasons, and hunting "record" books, as I said each must make his own choice even if it has to be done with closed eyes.

 

[Packdog]

Hey Mark: Which way are you leaning now? :rotf:

:surrender: comment not directed at anyone. I'm only making light of the many different opinions and strongly everyone seems to feel about it.

 

[kentuckyflint]

support the nmlra! it's the best game in town :hatsoff:

 

[faw3]

comment not directed at anyone. I'm only making light of the many different opinions and strongly everyone seems to feel about it... :rotf: ya sure got that one right, dont know why the inline used in Longhunters bugs me so much, but I seen or got pics of near world class game that the guys wouldnt inter in it because of the in-line thing. They should start a inline shooters Longhunters.. :rotf: for guys that cant cut it with real muzzle loaders. :shake: :rotf: Fred :hatsoff:

 

[faw3]

PACKDOG.... thats just the problem the guys running it now arent going to read or hear anything that isnt the way they want it, you got better luck killling a Ephlant witha bb rife, Daisey at that. They dont care what the membership wants and is why so many life members took off I belive. ( hope to be my last 2 cents) :rotf: Fred :hatsoff:

 

[Runner]

The truth is that there is a great need for a pre-1820 based organization that answers the needs of it's members. The anger expressed here is a mirror of how great that need is. I was very excited and hopefull when I found out about the TMA. I thought maybe that need had found an answer.
After being attacked repeatedly by board members, lied about publicly by two of them, the magazine rip-off fiasco, and being banned from ever having access to their website because two board members don't like me, I kind of gave up on that group. They are still a better bet than the
NMLRA in my opinion.
It is my hope that such a group will step to the front before it is too late.

 

[faw3]

Im thinking over posting a pic of a NMLRA legal rile in line thats in production or was its just sitting now, anyone that get the NRAs mag will know about the Mauser 98k sniper rifle with scope for sale well some got made as a lark yrs ago that shoot 4f or smokless and are muzzleloaders and shoot the mil boatail bullet , the way of the new NMLRA. Fred :grin:

 

[Zonie]

Yamaha ATV, Bedroom Air Mattress, Gold Coins, Hydration System, Boots, Yard Vacuum sweeper, Wristwatch, Vacuum Erection Device for ED (no, not you Ed), VISA Card, Hearing Aid Battery's, Stamina Enhancer, Brush Mower, a Log Splitter and Steel Shed's.

Boy! What's the NRA coming too?
All of these things (and more) advertised in the American Rifleman and not a one of them has anything to do with Rifles!
Maybe after 39 years of membership, I should drop out. That would fix them!

zonie :rotf:

 

[spudnut]

I feel it was the BPCR that killed the old Buckskin report...I'm not a member simply cause I can hardly make a house payment a month..Mark

 

[Begor]

Having been a member of the NMLRA and the NRA since 1953, I have read these posts with interest. It seems to me that some unsatisfied person or persons with all the good ideas for the ideal muzzleloading organization should step up and start a new organization. The NMLRA began as the idea of about 30+ interested persons.If they didn't where do you think muzzleloading would be today? I remember traveling 100 miles just to talk with someone who even knew what was black powder. I guess I'll hang around and wait for the new perfect muzzleloading organization. Count me in as a member but I will need to see "perfect".

 

[jeepwj992002]

I can see it now........Renew your membership today and get your free NRA Brand Hearing Aid Batteries. "Their more BANG for your buck!!" :youcrazy:

 

I guess I'll hang around and wait for the new perfect muzzleloading organization. Count me in as a member but I will need to see "perfect".

All sarcasm aside, I don't think peple are not looking for perfect" as much as "improved" or "unadulterated".


The NMLRA boasts,,,

Mission Statement:

The National Muzzle Loading Rifle Association exists to promote, support, nurture, and preserve NMLRA's and our nation's rich historical heritage in the sport of muzzleloading through recreational, educational, historical, and cultural venues such as match competition, hunting, gun making and safety, historical re-enactments, exhibits, museums, libraries, and other related programs.

We are dedicated to:

The understanding of, and the ability in, marksmanship with early American muzzleloading firearms.

Match promotion for the purpose of advancing fine accuracy with these arms and the establishment of standard practices for competition.

The recognition and support for the continuing and growing interest in the added challenge of hunting with a muzzleloading firearm.

Greater safety with all firearms, especially with muzzleloading rifles, pistols, and shotguns.

The collecting, preservation, and recreation of antique firearms and related accoutrements, and the recognition of the value of living history re-enactments.


Just look at all the references to "History", Antique", Heritage", "Historical", "Re-enactment", etc. I think that's what some people are sad to see has gone by the wayside. It may still be a great organization, it's just not what it started out as.

Yes, there are already clubs that promote traditional only, but they lack the funds to be a lobby. Preaching to your own choir doesn't promote anything. :v

 

[faw3]

I dont know if it would help at all, BUT if all the members that feel the way its written above would write in , and the X members along with the "life members" (how does this work, I know agood handfull and they hate the NMLRA now, do they still get counted as total membership?)it might wake someone up, the Prez letter 2 months ago started out about a few of us feeling this way, I really dont feel its a few. Write, dont have to cuss em out just tell em how it is for you. Fred :hatsoff:

 

All sarcasm aside, I don't think peple are not looking for perfect" as much as "improved" or "unadulterated".

You just hit the nail squarely on the head. There's the whole problem right there. People are LOOKING for what they want in an organization. Rather than helping to shape and guide the organization in the right direction, (that would require effort) people will bail, then sit at home and gripe about the direction taken by those members willing to put in an effort. people don't want to build an organization, they want someone else to do it so they can just join and reap the rewards. This is not new. It happens everywhere. The world is run by those that show up. If the NMLRA had 20,000 die hard traditional members and 10 die hard inline members, but the 10 inline members were the only ones interested in getting involved, what would happen??? You'ld have 20,000 POed traditional members complaining about the takeover of the inliners and how the club is going in the wrong direction and many of them would quit. If people don't like it, CHANGE IT. Of course it's easier to just quit and go LOOKING for a ready made solution, another organization in which SOMEONE ELSE will do all the work but do it in a way that is agreeable. If you don't vote, you have no right to gripe about the govt and if you're not actively involved in the NMLRA you have no right to gripe about their policies or the direction in which it's going. Just haveing a membership doesn't cut it. This whole thing reminds me of when I had a regular job and we were unionized. I, like many coworkers, was not a big union supporter. I thought that unions would create problems by making unreasonable demands and useing the workers as pawns to further their own agenda. After awhile i decided to go to a meeting. This is what I learned. The unions "agenda" was to get the workers what the WORKERS wanted. The problem was, that only the "fire breathing trade unionist" workers went to the meetings!. So, guess who created the policies and directed the union as to what demands to make?. I made it my mission to get every employee I could to go to the meetings so that the policies and demands reflected the will of the average levelheaded employee, rather than that of the radicals. It was a struggle. Then, as is now (with the NMLRA) most people were too lazy to get involved and would rather let others decide their future then gripe when it didn't coincide with their own ideas. In the union case, it was worse because you couldn't quit. You were forced to be a member and people STILL would let the radicals set the policies rather than get involved :youcrazy: . With the NMLRA, either get involved and make the organization live up to it's mission statement, remain a member and accept the way it is and the direction it's going or leave but if you choose to leave, do it quietly because if you have not been involved, you haven't earned the right complain. JMO

C

 

[Runner]

So, if we read the mission statement and notice that the organization does not follow their own stated agenda, we are lazy slobs that will not get involved and just like to complain? What a crock of bull. I don't have the right to complain or comment on their behavior if I am not a member???? Another crock of crud!

I am not too lazy to get involved. In fact, I am more involved in muzzleloading than the average person that is a member.

I am not a member of AARP, but I will continue to tell folks that they contribute millions to anti gun groups every year, and I refuse to join them also. That is my RIGHT. Your speculation about rights is very funny!

Again. This thread was someone asking if they should re-up with an organization that can not honor their own mission statement. The logical answer to that is NO!. It is the same answer everytime, no matter the issue or group involved.
I will not support gun control because maybe the AARP might save me some money. I will not be part of a group that actively works to destroy that which their mission statement says they are there to protect and care for either. Can the inlines and cartridge guns, and we can work to change the other things like requiring period dress and moving to flintlocks only. Keep the abominations and you can keep the entire thing. I spent an entire summer asking this question at gatherings here in Mo. and in Illinois. I know why the old timers don't go anymore. I know why I don't go.
You can't expect people to violate their own beliefs to support yours. If you do expect that, well, expect in one hand and ..........

I am not a member of the terrorist group that is killing people every day either. I refuse to join them and try to change them from the inside too! I guess that makes me a lazy slob in the defense of my country also!

 

All sarcasm aside, I don't think people are not looking for perfect" as much as "improved" or "unadulterated".

You just hit the nail squarely on the head. There's the whole problem right there. People are LOOKING for what they want in an organization.

When I subscribe to a magazine, I want what I paid for. If I don't get it, I cancel my subscription and perhaps complain about how the rag went downhill. I don't expect to be told that if I don't like the magazine, to start sending in articles and change the direction of the publication. I merely subscribe to a different publication. Money talks and a lot of people vote with their wallet.

With the NMLRA, either get involved and make the organization live up to it's mission statement, remain a member and accept the way it is and the direction it's going or leave but if you choose to leave, do it quietly because if you have not been involved, you haven't earned the right complain.

People "earn" the right to complain when they pay their money. Some people seem to forget that the NMLRA is a business - a Corporation offering a product/service.

It's wrong to tell people that they can't share their experience as to why they left an organization, or why they wouldn't join. Just as some have a right to praise an organization and suggest that people join, others have a perfect right to suggest otherwise. The only difference is, the people still in the organization don't want to hear it. The fact is, people who are considering joining any organization need to hear both sides. Nobody wants to join an organization knowing that they have to force the management to live up to it's mission statement. Why would they, when they can "look" elsewhere?