my 2 cents are that the main reason some people never harvest deer are three very simple things, movement, sound ,and smell! the very basics if your movin around too much it will see you , if your makin noise ,it will hear you! ive taken plenty of deer just leanin against a tree like a cigar store indian! the most over looked problem is smell!during season i keep my hunting clothes hanging outside on the porch to keep them aired out, only wash them in plain water! if you live in an area that has a lot of cedar, rub your duds down with cedar if your in pines,pine needles etc,etc the natural smells where you are hunting. a lot of the stuff in cabellas and other sporting stores are not exactly natural to the particular area you are hunting , the deer are very wary to unnatural smells! and of course the obvious, hunting with the breeze in your face!if you are baiting, use the natural foodsthat deer in your area eat! i usually gather acorns from the red oaks and keep them dry inside the cabin until a few rains have came and when the ones on the ground have soured i will spread them under a red oak tree and wait for the magic! also we have a lot of wild plums so i put some in the freezer to keep until season and throw them under the plum bushes, a deer is a very natural critter by nature :rotf: and whats natural to them seems to work best for me mike