Old Percussion Rifle

[behlftball]

Hi,

I recently picked up this old percussion rifle. I believe it was a conversion from a flintlock, but I don't know too much else about it. Does anyone have any knowledge on this firearm? If you need any other pictures/specs please let me know!












Thanks,
Phil

 

[robinghewitt]

Which Lasonder?

Gerrit 1635-1687
Mathis 1684-1712
Gerrit again 1712-48
Jan who pops up c1720

All from Utrecht

 

[behlftball]

Is there any way to tell which one?

 

[robinghewitt]

Blimey am I the only one? I think maybe this piece is too old for this forum and you need to go where they do history rather than shooting :idunno:

You have to find similar pieces and dated Dutch stuff. Early Dutch lockwork is best described as wide and blobby. I expect you have noticed it had a detachable pan. I only have one early Dutch musket, lock and stock but no barrel.

You have an excellent banana, I think first thing to look for could be remains of the third cross pin. Something odd is happening at the tail end of your lock plate. Could it be a filled in screw hole? That would be rather nice.

 

[Dphar]

Is there any way to tell which one?

Does not matter much which one. This rifle or gun is a 19th c (or later) restock of various parts. While the lock plate may date to the early 18th c and perhaps some other minor parts as well the rest of the gun is much later. The buttplate is certainly not 18th c. The ramrod, for example, looks 1960s to me .

Dan

 

[user 922]

The full view pictures seem to show two different guns. One has an end cap, one doesn't. The butt plates look totally different.

 

[Dphar]

Darn I missed that.

Dan

 

[Wes/Tex]

Holy gobbledegoop...me too. The one with the butt to the right is definitely a rifle or smooth rifle and totally different. Wake up, Wes!

 

[dyemaker]

I agree for sure. One has a relatively straight buttstock while the other has drastic drop. Huh?

 

[54ball]

Does not matter much which one. This rifle or gun is a 19th c (or later) restock of various parts. While the lock plate may date to the early 18th c and perhaps some other minor parts as well the rest of the gun is much later. The buttplate is certainly not 18th c. The ramrod, for example, looks 1960s to me .

Dan

I still think you are right. I've seen the side plate side of that gun from the photo links, it has a single lock bolt, percussion snail, welded up lockplate and the stock is as plain as a piece of white bread. All that to me says 19th Century, maybe later.
The original barrel may have been rebreeched for the snail or it could be later like the rest of it.
The stock with the single bolt looks late to me. Also it appears to have been heavily sanded/refinished. Maybe that's when it got the candy cane rod.

 

[Archie]

Not to split hairs but the carpeting is also different. I am guessing it's two different guns but I could be wrong.