olde eynsford

[Jason Lewis]

art- the swiss by far, i shot at 200yrds with the swiss grouping just under 2in. the olde E was a 5 in group.

 

[Jason Lewis]

Did you weigh those charges, or just drop them from the volume setting for the Swiss?

same volume setting as the swiss. since i dropped the charges into glass vials, i then measured the height of the charges in the vials. they were pretty much the same. next time i will weigh some, i'm sure there is a moisture content differance.

 

[Ranch 13]

You'll likely find about a 10 gr weight difference in the volume of the two, maybe less on the newer lot of Swiss.
It is interesting that in your rifle the Swiss shot so much faster than the Olde E, the Eynsford has been outrunning the Swiss in the cartridge rifles and producing better accuracy.

 

[Jason Lewis]

i'll weigh some and see. that's interesting in the cartridge rifles, but, i don't anyone who has shot Eynsford out of one yet. all the ones i know are shooting swiss.

 

[Rat Trapper]

Yesterday I called in a order to Powder INC and in the lot I added a can of Old E in 3F just to give it a try.

 

[rodwha]

How did the cost compare to others?

I've tried to find Swiss locally, but nobody carries it. Now that there is Olde E. I tried the one place in town that carries actual BP, but they don't stock it.

I'd really like to give energetic BP a try, but it seems like I'll have to stick with a sub for now as I don't buy in bulk, and refuse to pay the hazmat fee, especially on a small order.

 

[Ranch 13]

There's threads running on Cast Bullets, 24hr campfire, Shiloh and Historic shooting for the last month about folks shooting and testing the Olde Eynsford.
One fella has already went thru his first 10 lbs and has ordered a full case and is prompty proceeding to burn thru it. Folks in general are really liking this powder.

 

[Ranch 13]

Ordered by the case from Powder Inc it's running a bit over 16$ delivered. Grafs has it listed at 16.90 per pound plus the handling fee (6.50) and hazmat (27.50)

 

[swathdiver]

I'd really like to give energetic BP a try, but ...refuse to pay the hazmat fee, especially on a small order.

You're robbing yourself of one of the best treats of shooting these guns, real black powder! Do it once, for $77 you can get 3lbs of real BP delivered to your door from Graf's.

 

[rodwha]

I've read that storing BP requires (or ought to) a certain type of storage container, which I don't have.

That price isn't too bad, though I'd prefer to buy just 1 to try before I jump on. Does that include the hazmat and shipping?

 

[Ranch 13]

Never quite understood the hatred of the hazmat fees. If you buy powder from a shop the hazmat if figured into the price on the shelf. If you order thru the mail, that 27.50 will buy you what maybe 7 gallons of gas to jump in the vehicle drive around and pickup the powder the local shop owner has?
Don't misunderstand if you have a local stocking dealer by all means do your best to support them, but sometimes when that's not possible, do the math before you yowl to hard about the hazmat.

 

[Billnpatti]

Darned interesting read. Makes a lot of sense to me. I really enjoy the technical stuff and get a lot from it. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Jason Lewis]

i believe swiss is running around $30lb, and olde E around $25lb.

How did the cost compare to others?

I've tried to find Swiss locally, but nobody carries it. Now that there is Olde E. I tried the one place in town that carries actual BP, but they don't stock it.

I'd really like to give energetic BP a try, but it seems like I'll have to stick with a sub for now as I don't buy in bulk, and refuse to pay the hazmat fee, especially on a small order.

 

[rodwha]

I have only bought 1 lb of Triple 7 at a time, along with caps and whatnot. To pay an extra $27 would be ridiculous even though the price online is a little cheaper.

Locally I've paid $30-32 + tax for a pound. That same pound from Graf's would cost $23 + hazmat and any other fees.

That would certainly be worth yowling about.

But I am now considering buying a small amount of powder through them as I see it becomes worthwhile, though that's dependent on whether or not there's an additional fee for caps, which is the way I understand it.

 

[Ranch 13]

you'll want to double check with Grafs, but I believe they do put caps/primers under the same hazmat as powder when ordered together.

 

[rodwha]

Graf's was fast on the reply. 1 fee as long as the weight isn't over 48 lbs.

 

[Ranch 13]

I thought that's what they started doing last year.
So there ya go, now you can order some Olde E, some of the Grafs/Schuetzen, some Swiss and what ever subs you want , plus a case of caps and get a good sample of powder to try.
But remember that the hazmat on caps is a great reason to shoot flintlock, the ignition source is only as far away as your nearest creek bottom... :grin:

 

[Jason Lewis]

There's threads running on Cast Bullets, 24hr campfire, Shiloh and Historic shooting for the last month about folks shooting and testing the Olde Eynsford.
One fella has already went thru his first 10 lbs and has ordered a full case and is prompty proceeding to burn thru it. Folks in general are really liking this powder.

i just finished reading some of those threads, it seems like the one guy really does like olde E. otherwise, unless i've missed something, it seems most comparisons were to KIK or express.

 

[bigbore442001]

I may buy a can of the 3f to see how it works out of my Ruger Old Army as well as a single shot handgun. I would like to see how it compares to H777 in the velocity department.

H777, although not a true black powder, it seems to be a velocity champ. But H777 does degrade over time once the can is exposed to air. Black powder is very stable in that regard.

In fact, I'll have to get a pound of Swiss 3 F once my Shooting Chrony comes back from the factory for repairs.

 

[Ranch 13]

There's threads running on Cast Bullets, 24hr campfire, Shiloh and Historic shooting for the last month about folks shooting and testing the Olde Eynsford.
One fella has already went thru his first 10 lbs and has ordered a full case and is prompty proceeding to burn thru it. Folks in general are really liking this powder.

i just finished reading some of those threads, it seems like the one guy really does like olde E. otherwise, unless i've missed something, it seems most comparisons were to KIK or express.

Actually if you look everybody that has shot the Olde E is liking it. Some are finding some good accuracy right off the bat, and some aren't. Most that are comparing velocity are finding the Olde E to be the fastest.
Biggest problem is so far there's not a lot of folks shooting it and talking about it yet. But then the weather in a lot of places hasn't been real good for shooting since this stuff came out.