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Spence10 said:
FML said:
I for one could care less about such and such force,energy or what ever you call it.
On viable option for you is to stay out of the conversation and leave it to those who do care. You don't even have to read it, and everyone will be happy. :grin:

Spence
+1... :thumbsup:
 
Spence10 said:
FML said:
I for one could care less about such and such force,energy or what ever you call it.
On viable option for you is to stay out of the conversation and leave it to those who do care. You don't even have to read it, and everyone will be happy. :grin:

Spence

Then make your own post because this one is patch lube, not the rocket science behind it :slap:
 
Nerd!!!!
Well let me think. I put on funny outfits, sleep in old style heavy tents, shoot old guns and hang around at history meusems.
I build ship models , sew by hand and read old books
OMG!!!!!
 
I too could care less, that's just me, I don't need to know why it works just that it works, others can dabble, that's what they like (and how I know :thumbsup:). I do however read all posts?

And OMG I believe I may be a nerd too :redface:
 
I'm interested...maybe not as much as some, but still it is interesting.
IIRC some old gunmakers shot new builds over paper or whatever increasing the grains until unburned powder was revealed. That was "the load" for that gun.
Lube or patching was not mentioned? ? ?
 
Yeah, that is a frequently told tale, but apparently is just that. In early 18th century the Royal Society of England did tests of that idea and found it was not valid.

Spence
 
tenngun said:
Nerd!!!!
Well let me think. I put on funny outfits, sleep in old style heavy tents, shoot old guns and hang around at history meusems.
I build ship models , sew by hand and read old books
OMG!!!!!

:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :haha: :haha: :haha: :thumbsup:
 
Dutch Schoultz said:
With too slick a patch lube, the ball begins to move as soon as the powder begins to burn, As the pressure grows the ball continues to move and is quite possibly gone before the powder has done its thing.

That makes sense, except it's counter to my experience that a lighter lube (oil) gave higher shot groupings than a paste type lube, which indicates the slicker lube provided higher velocity (and more energy).
 
FML said:
I for one could care less about such and such force,energy or what ever you call it.

I just shot less than an 1 1/2" group at 100 yards with my FLINTLOCK today and can not wipe the smile off my face.

All that matters to the hunter is consistent first shot accuracy, the ability to reload a second or third shot and know where those shots go on a fouled bore.

I'd say its not rocket science, but in this case, it is for some. :doh:

You can thank the pursuit of science for the reason we get to shoot our flintlocks as a hobby, and not depend on them for survival.
 
Little Buffalo said:
Dutch Schoultz said:
With too slick a patch lube, the ball begins to move as soon as the powder begins to burn, As the pressure grows the ball continues to move and is quite possibly gone before the powder has done its thing.

That makes sense, except it's counter to my experience that a lighter lube (oil) gave higher shot groupings than a paste type lube, which indicates the slicker lube provided higher velocity (and more energy).

Try oil dutch's way "dry" (get the system, worth every penny). I have used those oiled patches sold in 100 packs. Not impressed. If not using the dutch patch I will only use hoppes (for plinking) and mink oil for hutin
 
Spence10,
Not exactly sure that that picture is showing, but if two balls that are exactly the same and are in contact are fired together, they reason they would separate in flight is not due to inertia, it would be aerodynamics. But maybe that's not the point you were trying to make.

You're right about the inertia of an object creating a resistive force - my favorite example of that is belly flops at the swimming pool, where the water isn't able to move out of the way fast enough, due to its inertia.
 
colorado clyde said:
Yada, Yada, Yada,...What about the factors that determine the amount of force? That's what everyone is ignoring.....Force is not a constant, even if you use the same amount of powder the force generated can be affected by multiple variables.

That's right, and I was wondering if someone would call me on it. There's more to the explosive propulsion of a bullet than simple Force, but I tried to keep it to a simple example of F = m * a without getting into the concepts of Power, Energy, Work, and Impulse-Momentum.

Although we really should do a discussion on bullet size and weight sometime... :yakyak:
 
Little Buffalo said:
Spence10,
Not exactly sure that that picture is showing, but if two balls that are exactly the same and are in contact are fired together, they reason they would separate in flight is not due to inertia, it would be aerodynamics. But maybe that's not the point you were trying to make.
That wasn't my point. It was that both balls are severely deformed, looking as though the rear ball has struck the front one. Since they were touching at ignition, it was inertia which held the front ball in place as the rear one moved into it. Mere friction in the barrel would not be enough to explain that result. So, as I was trying to say, people who believe in the 'two slick' lube idea are underestimating the inertia involved.

Spence
 
Of course that should have been 'too slick lube idea', not two slick. :redface:

But maybe two slicks are slicker than one slick?

Spence
 
So getting back on topic (sorta), the consistency of provided lubrication is just as important as the type of lubrication (and I hope we don't have to debate that one).

I've only ever used pre-lubed patches because they don't make a mess and are easy for hunting, speed loaders, etc. But, that's not exactly the 18th century experience and you're also very limited as to the type of lubrication used.

Since I started blackpowder shooting 10 years ago, until my little experiment with patches pre-soaked in oil, I've only ever used the yellow ox-yoke patches. What I don't like about them is that the viscosity changes too much with temperature. Use them in the summer and they melt like butter. Use them in the winter and the lube is hard and solid. I'm sure that affects consistent shooting.

Those of you who lube your own patches with LV or anything else for that matter, do you carry the patch material dry and lube in the field, do you soak the material ahead of time with your choice lube? And if you do it in the field, how do you maintain consistent application, avoid making a mess, and do it efficiently on a hunt?
 
When I used Hoppes I always put about 10 patches in a cap tin, one at a time with a small drop of lube. The tenth one I squished em down, lid on and ready to hunt. Thats how I carried em. Now using Dutchs system and carry a strip rolled up in a film can or similiar and cut at muzzle. The lube consistency, I believe, is very important for accuracy, but whadda I know, I'm just an addict :idunno: .
 
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