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Well, i guess you hunt when you have to :haha: I hunt the regular "Firearm" deer opener here in MN with my sidelock, and then when the muzzleloader season opens we go up north and hunt state/national forests around a friends cabin where there are options to shoot an extra doe or three :thumbsup: We never have a problem getting animals in that weather, in fact i believe that the extreme cold weather helps us as it drives the deer into the swamps! Well, guess where our stands are :)
 
Actually, as an afterthought...our best hunt ever was the day before a huge Alberta Clipper was supposed to move into north central MN! We shot 5 deer(4 does, and an absolute monster 12pt) respectively! We were scattered throughout, but the deer i believe could/can sense the barometer or weather system coming in, and they get a sense or urgency to feed or find thermal cover! I shot a fat doe in that weather, but after many frozen fingers/toes the meat pole got bigger and bigger as the day went on, with tht big 'ol buck takin the cake! He scored 170+" :hatsoff: It can be done, but it is rough :surrender:
 
Your freezer is rated at -10 degrees, to keep ice cream solid. You can test Olive Oil on a fabric patch by putting the patch( in plastic) in the freezer over night, and see how flexible the patch is. I don't know where you can find somewhere that keeps things at -20 degrees F, except possibly some University or Industrial testing lab. All you can do is ask. If Liquid Nitrogen is being use- Cryogenics is the closest use in the Gun Business, used to relieve stresses in barrels--- it freezes things much colder than -20 degrees. If your oil is still working at that cold temperature, USE IT.

I know that there are Synthetic oils made for jet, and airplane engines, rated for much hotter and much colder temperatures than experienced on earth, regardless the season. Talk to the mechanics at your local airport about what they use to service those engines. I suspect you might be able to buy a quart of that oil to use as a patch lube, if you need it. It will cost you more than a quart of motor oil for cars, but it will also be a life-time supply and then some for patch lube. Mobile One makes such a product, I know about. I just don't find it at my local auto parts store. :hmm:
 
i havent had any problems myself with the olive oil, but we dont get weather like that! the coldest here last year was a sunny 14 degrees and then we were too busy fixing the plumbing to worry about it! :haha:
 
im not an advocate of cold weather hunting believe me :barf: It is just the cards we are dealt sometimes! Under those cold conditions, there are alot of disclaimers out there about various common patch lubes that freeze in cold temps that was my reason for goin to the Mink Oil from TOTW, another buddy shoots Young Grizz from October Country with success also! Ive enjoyed great accuracy with oil lubed or bore butter lubed patches in warmer weather, but avoid now since that one tore patch many years ago!
 
If you only experience a RARE torn patch, its probably the material and not the lube. Keeping lubed patches for several months allows Bacteria to feed on the cotton fibers, and weaken the material. Use fresh fabric, and NEW "pre-lubed" patches, rather than old patches, whether you lubed them yourself, or you buy them pre-lubed. I know of one case where someone bought prelubed patches from a dealer, and they all tore up in his gun. Using newer patches- also prelubed, he had no problems. There is no way to know how long a package of pre-lubed patches has sat in someone's warehouse, or whether that warehouse is air conditioned. The hotter the storage area, the more active the bacteria are.

One test, if you can hold onto a greased patch, is to simply pull on the patch with both hands. if it comes apart, it probably won't stand up to the pressures in your barrel, either. Put paper towel,or any rag that is dry, between your fingers and the fabric to grab it more securely.
 
I always lube my patches each season like 20 at a time, the torn patch i had years ago was done by my own hand as well! I used to work in the bore butter with the ball of my short starter the same as i do with the mink oil! I firmly believe that it froze! Now, i like the idea of using bore butter as a patch lube as its so readily available, in an earlier post there was talk of cutting patch lube with alcohol so it wouldnt freeze! Has anyone cut bore butter with alcohol? Id be all for using the stuff again as it worked great for me!
 
My advice is to ask your question to actual hunters who hunt up along the Canadian border.
I've never heard of any successful hunters routinely putting alcohol on patches to use them in cold weather...plus, alcohol evaporates.

Go down to the Traditional Hunting category and open a new thread asking for comments from successful extremely cold weather hunters who actually hunt in those temps...what they use, how they go about it, etc.

For just one example, BrownBear hunts up in Alaska...he's one I'd pay close attention to.
 
I dont hunt in extremely cold temps alot, but i have and probably will again! Id say i do most of my hunting in 20-50deg temps, thats kinda what we usually see around southern MN in early Nov when the general deer firearms season opens, course i use my muzzleloader!
 
I got the idea of using alcohol as the ONLY Lube from a hunter who was in Alaska going after Polar Bear. The oil in his bolt action rifle froze up in the deep cold, preventing the firing pin from moving. That evening he tore the bolt down, and cleaned all the oil off the firing pin, FP spring, etc. Then he put just alcohol on the working parts to make sure they would work in the cold.

Now, I am sure that the alcohol evaporated in that very cold dry air. It wasn't around to serve as a lubricant at all on bare metal. However, the idea of using Alcohol to THIN OIL came to mind as alcohol doesn't freeze until it gets far colder than a human can stand.

Mixed with oil or wax, or a combination of both, it should last a bit longer- but, its main function is to THIN the lube on the patch, so that, like Dutch Schoultz's dry lube, where oil is mixed with water to thin the oil after the water evaporates, a much thinner lube infiltrates and remains within the fibers of the cotton patch.

The alcohol will make greasing the patch easier to do in cold weather, as the lube will be softer in cold temperatures, than if Not thinned. If there is a thin coat of lube on and in the patch, you have some lube helping to protect the patch, and to keep fouling soft in the barrel. But, being very thin, the patch is less likely to freeze to a rock like consistency.

I still think that for really cold weather- that -20 Degrees F.--- use a synthetic oil like Tri-flon, or a synthetic oil such as is made to use in airplanes.

I am too old to go hunting in those kinds of temperatures, and have suffered frost bite too many times in my life to risk the damage that trying to do so would incur. I doubt that much game is moving very much when its that cold, unless out of pure necessity -either to find needed food, or escape predators.

I am convinced that existing oils, like Ballistol, and Jojoba oil will serve the rest of us who may have to hunt during below freezing temperatures, but not as cold as -20 degrees F., or lower.
 
I like where this going, ive got a few ideas for making "Homemade" lubes :wink: I thought about equal parts Ballistol, beeswax, and olive oil! Another one is bear fat, beeswax, and Ballistol! Worth a try?
 
How you render your fat will determine whether you end up with oil or lard. If you fry the fat, you will get lard but, if you render the fat at a much lower temp, such as genty simmering it in water you will get oil rather than lard. Which you use will determine what kind of lube you get when you mix it with the bees wax and Ballistol. I was given some bear lard and I mixed it with bees wax and Ballistol to make a bullet lube. To make this lube, you will need to put the bees wax into a can and place it into a pot of simmering water. When it is melted add the lard or oil and stir well to mix. Remove it from the heat and continue to stir. Be sure to take the mixture outside before adding the Ballistol (That stuff really stinks). When the mixture starts to thicken, slowly add the Ballistol and continue to stir. Then add about a tablespoon of Murphy's Oil Soap and whip the mixture until it forms a nice creamy lube. Put the lube into a container and you have a great bullet and patch lube. You can control the thickness of your lube by adjusting the amount of Ballistol or oil.
 
After reading that, my mind is beginning to swirl with ideas :) Im kinda running low on lube, and would like to try my own lube, a first for me! Im goin to shoot a few groups with this mix this weekend... Outside in a small pan over a single burner im goin to do a mix of 3 parts T/C Bore Butter, 2 parts Ballistol, and 1 part olive oil! Im goin to heat it slowly for an hour or so, and then dredge a patch through it with a needle nose pliers, and squeeze the excess of with my fingers, and then let it dry! I know ive claimed i didnt like bore butter, but the addition of Ballistol may help make this mix very weatherproof! What do you all think? Three very easily attainable ingredients that seem like theyd make a good mix :hmm:
 
If you have a couple old coffee cans or similar of different sizes you can put an inch or so of water in the larger and melt the lube in the smaller - a double boiler. Keeps the lube from cooking or burning onto the can.

I don't know what's in Ballistol, but there's a very good chance it's highly flammible and most of the ingredients will boil away at low heat. Use caution. You might be better off with something cheaper. Won't know until you try.
 
mnbearbaiter said:
I like where this going, ive got a few ideas for making "Homemade" lubes :wink: I thought about equal parts Ballistol, beeswax, and olive oil! Another one is bear fat, beeswax, and Ballistol! Worth a try?


You will probably end up with too thin a glop to please you. Try about 70% beeswax and the balance equal parts of the other ingrediants.
 
I did think about that after i posted my projected mix! I was thinking about using a shot glass as a measuring tool to get a proper ratio! I was thinking of using extremely low- low heat with the olive oil and the bore butter, maybe a 1:1 or 2:1 mix! When it would get good and liquified id add say a shot glass of Ballistol and stir it in! After it had time to harden somewhat id begin lubing patches! I like a good slick patch lube, i use an over the powder bore button which should prevent any lube from leaching into the powder!
 
If you have a good kitchen scale, it might be easier to weight them directly into the can (or whatever) that you're going to be melting/mixing them in. The densities of the common lube ingredients don't differ by too much, so using the same proportions by weight would result in close to those measured by volume.

Regards,
Joel
 
Most freezers are set at -10 degrees F. to allow ice cream to be kept frozen. So, you can at least try out OO on a patch and stick it in your freezer to see how well it does at that cold temperature. I don't know where you can find something that keeps things a -20 degrees, where you can do the same test at that temperature. Perhaps a University or Industry test lab, where liquid nitrogen is employed for experiments.

There are Synthetic motor oils made for Jet and Airplane Engines, that have to remain working in considerably colder and hotter temperatures than what we experience on the ground, even in the coldest arctic conditions, so there are "lubes"(greases or oils) that can be used under these adverse temperatures. Talk to the mechanics at your nearest airport about what they use for the airplanes that they service. I suspect you might be able to acquire a quart of that synthetic oil( Mobile One makes one I know) from them. It will cost more than common motor oil for cars, but a quart should give you a lifetime supply of patch lube for these cold hunts.
 
I think i went a little John Wayne when i brought up -20deg temps, thats an extreme example :surrender: I do however like a patch lube that resists freezing, like my TOTW Mink Oil! Ive noticed that there are pre lubed patchesd available that are lubed with oil, and they appear dark brown, to brown to be olive oil! What would they be lubed with? Most oils fare well in colder temps! I basically want a lube thatll fare well in all temps, 90-below 0, some get runny in hot weather, while others freeze badly in colder weather! I have a good lube now that hunts well in the average hunting temps, but was wondering if there are other options that would do the same?
 
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