Patent Breech Investarms Hawken failures to fire

[ETipp]

I disagree. I’ve been shooting flintlocks since 1979. But you do you.

I will, thank you. Never a misfire.

I’ve never shot a flintlock but it’s on my to do list.

 

[bpd303]

I disagree. I’ve been shooting flintlocks since 1979. But you do you.

I have been shooting flintlocks and percussion guns since 1952, when my grandfather showed me that loading technique thumping the stock.
He also taught me the difference between the two. Priming powder in the pan and up against the flash hole of a flintlock can slow ignition. There is no flash hole with a percussion gun but a flash channel and powder there gives the best ignition.

 

[Mike in FL]

Isn't it great, TDM. They keep coming up with new products that are just as unavailable as the old ones we would like get.
Seems as if we all need to have our own youtube channels to promo new firearms products. Those guys always have all the supplies they need so they can encourage us to buy what we can't get.
Maybe Winchester should just sell us the components with a kit so we can help em out. SW

 

[Mike in FL]

Yup, I had two hang fires in one shooting session with my New Englander when using 2F 777 and a CCI #11 cap. Never had that happen before or after with 3F black powder.

It simply needs a little more spark with 777 than what a standard nipple provides.

I am no one, an authority on nothing, a person with limited knowledge. But I have never understood why Tripe 7 or any substitute powder sells. If you like black powder guns, why desire or buy what didn't even exist when muzzleloaders were all that was available. Maybe people buy it because they are not really into muzzleloaders but wants one to take advantage of the season, and can easily buy the fake stuff at most sporting goods stores. But to someone wanting to experience history and who loves guns and items used in bygone years, I have to ask why lessen the experience on the most basic and significant level of the blackpowder era, which is blackpowder. I mean using substitute powder in a blackpowder rifle is like rebuilding a classic car to original condition and installing a joystick driving controller. Okay, not the best analogy and people should definitely do as they please without checking with me. I should not have felt a need to say all that. No offense intended.

 

[longcruise]

@Mike in FL I think you hit on the bigger factor and that's the ease of acquiring it. They also don't shoot as much so cost is stretched out over more time.

A couple years ago my son in law picked up a pound of 777 for himself and two of his boys to shoot in a day long shoot. They were all shooting cappers and had zero ignition problems.

 

[sturmkatze]

Maybe people buy it because they are not really into muzzleloaders but wants one to take advantage of the season, and can easily buy the fake stuff at most sporting goods stores.

I’d say that’sa goodly part of it.

 

[Okie Hog]

nowledge. But I have never understood why Tripe 7 or any substitute powder sells.

Blackpowder is not widely available as are the substitute powders. Others, including myself, don't like black powder. i use the stuff for blasting stumps and rocks.

 

[springfield art]

I've started shooting a new-to-me Investarms Hawken 50, and am experiencing significant failures to fire using CCI #11 caps and FFG Triple 777. I have been very thorough in cleaning the barrel and breech with hot, soapy water; the water runs freely out of the drum (nipple removed) when I lift it from the water, so I don't think there is a stoppage in the patent breech. The nipple is clear, too, after cleaning, so there is a firing flame in the breech when the hammer falls.

My guess is that the combination of the CCI cap and FFG Triple 777 doesn't "work" in this particular rifle, so am taking the gun back to the range with FFFG black powder, which should ignite more readily, and Remington caps, which have the reputation of being hotter.

I would appreciate any other suggestions or ideas.

TIA

You're idea of using Real Black Powder is the ticket! Let us know how it works out!

 

[Mike in FL]

To each his own, but if you dont use real black powder you don't live in the mountains of VA in 1750 like I do.

 

[sturmkatze]

To each his own, but if you dont use real black powder you don't live in the mountains of VA in 1750 like I do.

Most don’t care, they just want another way to kill another Bambi. That’s all there is to it. Chester guns like fake powder.

 

[smoothshooter]

I've started shooting a new-to-me Investarms Hawken 50, and am experiencing significant failures to fire using CCI #11 caps and FFG Triple 777. I have been very thorough in cleaning the barrel and breech with hot, soapy water; the water runs freely out of the drum (nipple removed) when I lift it from the water, so I don't think there is a stoppage in the patent breech. The nipple is clear, too, after cleaning, so there is a firing flame in the breech when the hammer falls.

My guess is that the combination of the CCI cap and FFG Triple 777 doesn't "work" in this particular rifle, so am taking the gun back to the range with FFFG black powder, which should ignite more readily, and Remington caps, which have the reputation of being hotter.

I would appreciate any other suggestions or ideas.

TIA

I would ditch the 777 and stick to real black powder.