Pedersoli 1777 Charleville
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FlinterNick
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I use a .65 ball in a paper cartridge over 100 grains of 1F powder, or 80 grains of 2F.
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Owner's manual?
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When I got my Pedersoli, the owner’s manual was basically a safety manual and it wasn’t specific to my gun. I read the whole thing, but it wasn’t useful for my gun.
I’ve never seen a load recommendation come with a Pedersoli
They publish it on their website. Just to make it easy, I'll attach my PDF copy here.
Yeah, that definitely did not come with my 1766, my 1795 or the 1816 I used to own.
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Judging from the way they're discussed/described on this forum, I'm not surprised.
I got muskets. I already know the charges
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I shoot a .662 over 100grn of 2F
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.662 with a .15 wet patch, easy to load and keeps the bore swabbed with every shot, 65 grns of 2F for plinking, up to 110 for a little extra punch.
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Totally jealous . You might try 11 bang bang Channel (YouTube)got a new video on that same 77 he uses a very heavy load of homemade powder and .64 paper cartridge ball. The son of gun hits a 12 inch steel plate at 100yrds. Don't like to put that heavier charge and as it stresses the gun, the stock, etc. but I bought a mold for a 670 ball that I shoot powder, ball and just an overshot card with 70 grains of one of 1 F Swiss. Keep in mind my ball is only .20 under bore so its not as much windage as 11 bang bangs load. You gotta experiment its part of the fun
Squirrel79
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I do like his channel
Those original guns were designed for 150+ grain loads with more primitive steels. That being said modern BP is better than they had and there is no real need to use the heavier loads.
Go make some paper cartridges for it and see how much fun loading a smoothbore is with them. I make my own with a .662" RB and 80 grains of Schuetzen 2Fg. Sometimes I'll add three rounds of buckshot and make buck and ball.
You'll be surprised about the kind of accuracy you can get from these smoothbores with a bit of practice.
You'll be surprised about the kind of accuracy you can get from these smoothbores with a bit of practice.
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I just watched the 11bangbang episode on his cartridge make. He was right about about the French powder being better than English, unfortunately it seems he has never seen an original French cartridge of the era.
Everyone always assumes the French made their cartridges like the English. They didn’t. They didn’t tie the ends, they normally used a rectangle paper, not a trapezoid, and they glued the seems.
Everyone always assumes the French made their cartridges like the English. They didn’t. They didn’t tie the ends, they normally used a rectangle paper, not a trapezoid, and they glued the seems.
I believe you're right. The cartridge in my post is actually for a Springfield 1842 and it's pretty close to what was actually used. For the 1777 Chareleville in question it would be even easier to make paper cartridges.
The 1842 musket used a .65 ball over 130gr of musket (1f) powder in 1842. The charge was reduced by 1849 to 110 gr of musket powder. The only critique I would offer on your cartridges is to not over tighten the strings. See the originals below.
