Pedersoli 1777 Charleville

[Squirrel79]

Picked up a 1777 Pedersoli Charleville. Anyone have some load data and recommended ball size or any other info I should know? Only thing I don't like is the front nose piece is kind of loose.

 

[FlinterNick]

Picked up a 1777 Pedersoli Charleville. Anyone have some load data and recommended ball size or any other info I should know? Only thing I don't like is the front nose piece is kind of loose.View attachment 286271

I use a .65 ball in a paper cartridge over 100 grains of 1F powder, or 80 grains of 2F.

 

[Gun Tramp]

Anyone have some load data and recommended ball size or any other info I should know?

Owner's manual?

 

[Ponderosaman]

Owner's manual?

When I got my Pedersoli, the owner’s manual was basically a safety manual and it wasn’t specific to my gun. I read the whole thing, but it wasn’t useful for my gun.

 

[Clark Badgett]

Owner's manual?

I’ve never seen a load recommendation come with a Pedersoli

 

[wiscoaster]

I’ve never seen a load recommendation come with a Pedersoli

They publish it on their website. Just to make it easy, I'll attach my PDF copy here.

 

[Clark Badgett]

They publish it on their website. Just to make it easy, I'll attach my PDF copy here.

Yeah, that definitely did not come with my 1766, my 1795 or the 1816 I used to own.

 

[Gun Tramp]

I’ve never seen a load recommendation come with a Pedersoli

Judging from the way they're discussed/described on this forum, I'm not surprised.

 

[Clark Badgett]

Judging from the way they're discussed/described on this forum, I'm not surprised.

I got muskets. I already know the charges

 

[Youngblood]

I shoot a .662 over 100grn of 2F

 

[Kevin]

.662 with a .15 wet patch, easy to load and keeps the bore swabbed with every shot, 65 grns of 2F for plinking, up to 110 for a little extra punch.

 

[Johnnyntrain]

Picked up a 1777 Pedersoli Charleville. Anyone have some load data and recommended ball size or any other info I should know? Only thing I don't like is the front nose piece is kind of loose.View attachment 286271

Totally jealous . You might try 11 bang bang Channel (YouTube)got a new video on that same 77 he uses a very heavy load of homemade powder and .64 paper cartridge ball. The son of gun hits a 12 inch steel plate at 100yrds. Don't like to put that heavier charge and as it stresses the gun, the stock, etc. but I bought a mold for a 670 ball that I shoot powder, ball and just an overshot card with 70 grains of one of 1 F Swiss. Keep in mind my ball is only .20 under bore so its not as much windage as 11 bang bangs load. You gotta experiment its part of the fun

 

[Squirrel79]

Totally jealous . You might try 11 bang bang Channel (YouTube)got a new video on that same 77 he uses a very heavy load of homemade powder and .64 paper cartridge ball. The son of gun hits a 12 inch steel plate at 100yrds. Don't like to put that heavier charge and as it stresses the gun, the stock, etc. but I bought a mold for a 670 ball that I shoot powder, ball and just an overshot card with 70 grains of one of 1 F Swiss. Keep in mind my ball is only .20 under bore so its not as much windage as 11 bang bangs load. You gotta experiment its part of the fun

I do like his channel

 

[Clark Badgett]

Totally jealous . You might try 11 bang bang Channel (YouTube)got a new video on that same 77 he uses a very heavy load of homemade powder and .64 paper cartridge ball. The son of gun hits a 12 inch steel plate at 100yrds. Don't like to put that heavier charge and as it stresses the gun, the stock, etc. but I bought a mold for a 670 ball that I shoot powder, ball and just an overshot card with 70 grains of one of 1 F Swiss. Keep in mind my ball is only .20 under bore so its not as much windage as 11 bang bangs load. You gotta experiment its part of the fun

Those original guns were designed for 150+ grain loads with more primitive steels. That being said modern BP is better than they had and there is no real need to use the heavier loads.

 

[Collie]

Go make some paper cartridges for it and see how much fun loading a smoothbore is with them. I make my own with a .662" RB and 80 grains of Schuetzen 2Fg. Sometimes I'll add three rounds of buckshot and make buck and ball.
You'll be surprised about the kind of accuracy you can get from these smoothbores with a bit of practice.

 

[Clark Badgett]

I just watched the 11bangbang episode on his cartridge make. He was right about about the French powder being better than English, unfortunately it seems he has never seen an original French cartridge of the era.

Everyone always assumes the French made their cartridges like the English. They didn’t. They didn’t tie the ends, they normally used a rectangle paper, not a trapezoid, and they glued the seems.

 

[Collie]

I just watched the 11bangbang episode on his cartridge make. He was right about about the French powder being better than English, unfortunately it seems he has never seen an original French cartridge of the era.

Everyone always assumes the French made their cartridges like the English. They didn’t. They didn’t tie the ends, they normally used a rectangle paper, not a trapezoid, and they glued the seems.

I believe you're right. The cartridge in my post is actually for a Springfield 1842 and it's pretty close to what was actually used. For the 1777 Chareleville in question it would be even easier to make paper cartridges.

 

[Clark Badgett]

I believe you're right. The cartridge in my post is actually for a Springfield 1842 and it's pretty close to what was actually used. For the 1777 Chareleville in question it would be even easier to make paper cartridges.

The 1842 musket used a .65 ball over 130gr of musket (1f) powder in 1842. The charge was reduced by 1849 to 110 gr of musket powder. The only critique I would offer on your cartridges is to not over tighten the strings. See the originals below.

 

[FlinterNick]

Picked up a 1777 Pedersoli Charleville. Anyone have some load data and recommended ball size or any other info I should know? Only thing I don't like is the front nose piece is kind of loose.View attachment 286271

With my Pedersoli 1816 i get the best groupings with around 100 grains of 1f and a .65 patched ball. Paper cartridge i use a .66 ball with 80 grains of 2f in a paper cartridge.

 

[FlinterNick]

The 1842 musket used a .65 ball over 130gr of musket (1f) powder in 1842. The charge was reduced by 1849 to 110 gr of musket powder. The only critique I would offer on your cartridges is to not over tighten the strings. See the originals below.

I stopped using ties, i adopted the French method of a crimped ball end. I dip the ball end in a mixture of drying wax, holds it all together.