Pedersoli Jaeger flash guard

[df0010]

Hi everyone, new to the forum have been reading it as a guest for a while but this past weekend I picked up a used pedersoli jaeger in REALLY good condition at a great price and decided I should finally join.

I intend to use it for both re-enacting and hunting, so for re-enacting to pass safety rules I need to add a flash guard to it. Because the head of the screw is inside the lock, there is no- way to attach a guard without swapping out the screw to a longer one then adding a nut?

Is anyone aware if there is a OEM replacement screw that is longer so I can just do it myself? fit the flashguard, and use a nut to secure it? I've checked the usual spots, but havent come up with anything.

I also have the option of having a local flintlock gunsmith do it, but $$ is always an issue.

I'd really appreciate if anyone else has had this issue knowing how they resolved it? (I've searched the forums and google to no avail).

Thanks

 

[Rifleman1776]

Does the screw come all the way through? If so, you might just be able to screw on from the outside. A pic of the lock might help.
BTW, whose rules?
And, welcome to the forum.

 

[df0010]

If i have time i'll pull the screw tonight, i wanted to measure the lands and grooves on the barrel, been reading here and there they may be a bit off from .54 cal.

As for the requirement for flashguard, its a standard british brigade, brigade of the american revolution, northern brigade rule.

Thanks for the warm welcome, its nice to be able to draw on the experience of others.

 

[Flash Pan Dan]

df00010,

The flash guard is quite easy to make from sheet brass. The extend frizzen screw might be the tricky bit. Not only does it have to be the right thread pitch but also has to fit the screw head mortise in the lockplate. Might have to turn that down to fit.

 

[flintlock75]

Check with Track of the Wolf, they have a screw to do what you want for there Tulle locks they may work for your gun. You can also check with RE Davis about parts for the lock.

 

[Zonie]

Welcome to the Forum df0010.

RE Davis might be able to help but I wouldn't bet on it.

His locks are American made so they probably use screws with UNF threads. Pedersoli's screws will have Metric threads.

You may want to remove the frizzen spring to remove the pressure from the frizzen before you remove the frizzen screw.
Another option is to use some needle nosed Vise Grips to compress the frizzen spring. If you choose to do this remember, you only want to compress the frizzen spring enough to remove the pressure against the frizzen cam. You do not want to bend it further than is necessary.

Some hardware stores carry Metric screws so after you have removed the screw, take it to one of them.
They can match the screw threads so you will know what to buy.

If the new screw head is larger in diameter or taller than the existing one, some careful filing can alter it so it can fit into the counterbore in the lock plate.

 

[df0010]

@flashpandan, thanks the guard isnt the issue, its attaching it that seems to be the challenge.

My understanding is that using a standard metric screw with a longer thread is feasible, but not a good idea, as the frizzen needs a smooth properly sized shaft to ride on, the threads will affect lock timing, eventually wearing/compressing allowing the frizzen to wobble affecting its operation.

As for the visegrip suggestion, i'd rather use my spring vise, easier to dial in the minimum amount of pressure needed.

I think my best bet given none of the retailers having a retrofit screw is to have the gunsmith machine one for me. I'll take some photos for reference purposes

 

[df0010]

view of the lock:

View of the inside of the lock:

the whole rifle(please ignore the pink wool, and my musket

I gave her a pretty thorough cleaning and aside the cosmetic rust, all is well! a cloth and some oil took care of the worst of the rust pretty quick.

 

[jdkerstetter]

That rust is a lot worse than cosmetic...especially the rust between your frizzen, plate and bridle. You had better adress that cancer before you have a problem.

If it keeps up you will be replacing that frizzen pivot screw before you know it. If it's attacking your frizzen spring screw, as it appears it is, have fun removing that after a while. Not to mention the damage to your case colors.

Enjoy, J.D.

 

[Many Klatch]

Mike Lea the Gun Doctor has flash guards made up for various styles of locks. I have often seen him have to "fiddle" with locks like yours to get it to fit. You can contact him at [email protected] if you are handy you can probably install it yourself.

BTW, I understand that the rules for flash guards have been changed somewhat and that now the Brigade wants "two sources of contact". So the flash guard has to bear on the pan at the screw and one other location so it won't pivot and drop out of position. I just recently got one of these two position flash guards for my Bess.

Many KLatch

 

[df0010]

Hey Many, thanks for the headsup on the guard, I shouldn't have any fabrication issues, i'm pretty handy for most things, just not machining screws.

Can you fwd any relevant documentation regarding the Brigade flashguard rules?

 

[Matt85]

That rust is a lot worse than cosmetic...especially the rust between your frizzen, plate and bridle. You had better adress that cancer before you have a problem.

If it keeps up you will be replacing that frizzen pivot screw before you know it. If it's attacking your frizzen spring screw, as it appears it is, have fun removing that after a while. Not to mention the damage to your case colors.

Enjoy, J.D.

i agree with the above statement, i would take that whol lock apart and soak in in CLP or some other light penetrating oil.

 

[df0010]

Thanks for the concern and advice guys, I should have been clearer, my apologies for any confusion. Those photos are the lock as i received it, I tore the whole lock down last night, and attacked the rust with a vengeance, it was a very minor layer that came off via a oiled cloth, and some elbow grease.

The whole rifle got a thorough going over, as my guy would not be impressed and charge... A LOT, if I brought it to him him dirty.

I'm going to get him to machine the screw for me, and depending on price/timing get him to sort out the guard

I'm just hoping he's not too busy, so I can get it sorted and take it out and see how it shoots.

 

[jdkerstetter]

:thumbsup: Enjoy, J.D.