Pedersoli Kodiak Doubles

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[Africa58double]

Anyone in this thread still out there?
I have just acquired a 58. Shoot ffg with a prb
And am hitting bullseyes at 50 yards
Is this common?

 

[William Lincoln]

These are beautiful Rifles, the barrels are well regulated compared to the CVA double
rifles. In Grizzly country you need the second shot. Gave mine to Son in law. They are
heavy. The bigger bores kick like mules. Beautiful legacy quality. But if you are older
you need shooting sticks like used in Africa. They are over 10 lbs.

 

[GoodRabbitPilgrim]

I haven't read every reply but the rear sights are for elevation not for each barrel.

Regulation is synonymous with every double muzzleloader or cartridge.

 

[Africa58double]

As stated- mine regulates a .58 Prb and 80gr of FFg - Bullseye at 50 yards- very close.

Have not shot past that yet- Tho I’m hopeful 75 it will be sufficient accuracy.

For deer and Boar I feel it’s enough Oomph to do the job.

I just added a Ghost ring Yesterday to the Tang. 3 leafs lay flat…. And I can still use second leaf with Ring to shoot approximately 100 yards ,second leaf..

Disappearing ring let’s ya focus on the front sight. That’s a nice white dotup there, I use at a 6 oclock hold when sighting in. So if I hold rite on at 50yards it’s a smidge hi.

I’m fortunate my First 8 shots I ever took hit Bullseyes at 25 and 50 yards with the Patch/ball/charge I was using. I stocked up on those components and bought a mold. I’ll use soft lead of course-Don’t want to change anything. It’s my woods rifle- and most shots are under 80 yards.

My .58 Kodiak weighs 9.5Lbs or so- not to bad. Kicks ever so slightly.

Does anyone really crank these up to 120-140 grains of powder and use a conical - that’s gotta kick.

I will stick with a short range modest charge for the game I’m after.

This is the best thread I’ve found on the rifles.

 

[SOLANCO]

From following the discussions elswehere, I am thinking about getting a Pedersoli double rifle (maybe in .58). However, I can't find one anywhere to handle and have a close look at, so apologies if this is a silly question.

I have been told that the problem with the double rifle is that it has a separate set of sights mounted on each barrel, not a single set on the centre rib - express style - as this would require the barrels to be regulated by the manufacturer to hit a single point of aim.

Frankly, I find the idea of two sets of sights a bit odd. Is the gun actually made this way? I was wondering if anyone could clear this up for me?

Cheers

Robbo

"as this would require the barrels to be regulated by the manufacturer to hit a single point of aim"

An unregulated double rifle would be an abomination.

 

[Africa58double]

My 1996 Cabelas 58 Kodiak has a 3 leaf single row express sight on the rear. I purchased it used in box and what looked to be unfired by nipples… unless they got replaced. The Front sight I don’t think is factory. It’s a white dot and seems a tad tall. Regulated to 50yds.
If that’s the less expensive version in 1996 Pedersoli made, I must be fortunate. Both barrels shoot same height, and very close to each other at 50yds.

As you can see in photo, The 3 leaf is marked with 100,200,300 leafs. A bit optimistic indeed.
More like 50-85-125.

I’ve got the Ghost sight at 50-70? and can see the Second leaf when flipped up- wherever that would range out to. That’s it and fine by me.

Unless I am mistaken- Laser Guided process was used for regulating barrels.

Maybe not in 1996. Tho Like I said, I feel fortunate.

 

[Crow-Feather]

From following the discussions elswehere, I am thinking about getting a Pedersoli double rifle (maybe in .58). However, I can't find one anywhere to handle and have a close look at, so apologies if this is a silly question.

I have been told that the problem with the double rifle is that it has a separate set of sights mounted on each barrel, not a single set on the centre rib - express style - as this would require the barrels to be regulated by the manufacturer to hit a single point of aim.

Frankly, I find the idea of two sets of sights a bit odd. Is the gun actually made this way? I was wondering if anyone could clear this up for me?

Cheers

Robbo

I had a double Pedersoli
rifle many years ago and tried firing both barrels from just one rear sight. While not two shots touching, the shots were only about 1 1/2 inches apart. I hunted with that sight. Some states demand only a single barrel rifle.

 

[William Lincoln]

I think the wildlife/game departments might allow the gun with only
one barrel loaded. Most allow the double rifles.

 

[Britsmoothy]

Pedersoli did sell some double rifles with two rear sights in sans of good regulation.
I honestly believe they are built on a jig probably built to a computers dimensions. In theory it would work but if someone ham fisted fits the barrels in the jig it may not come out to good.
Ironoxide had issues with regulation. Pulled his barrels apart and disappeared from here!

 

[TFoley]

Hi Robbo. I bought a .58 last year and have shot patch ball and conical from it. It does indeed have two rear sights and one fore sight. The two rear sights are mounted one behind the other about a half an inch apart and they both flip up or down depending on which barrel you are fireing. Each rear sight is adjustable up and down and left and right with a small "V" insert mounted on two small screws. The whole thing is pretty mickey mouse and IMO gives a less than accurate sight picture. I've had a significant amount of success at 50 and a promising amount at 100yds with patch ball. Conical has been less promising at 50 and too random at 100 so far but I have just got a new conical bullet mould from Christiaan in SA which is beginning to look good. I've just bought a set of optical sights which come as an after kit so lets see what happens.

Nothing to do with the post here, but just to say hi, Mike, I had the temerity to mention you in passing on another thread about Whitworth rifles and moulds thereof - hope you don't mind.

 

[Africa58double]

Anyone actually use there’s for hunting?

what did you hunt

use both barrels??

 

[Rifleman1776]

I have seen them in stores. They are heavy. Be young and in good physical condition to use.

 

[Africa58double]

My 58s 9.5 lbs- Not That bad.

 

[Crow-Feather]

For deer and Boar I feel it’s enough Oomph to do the job.

There is enough Oomph to do in a Volkswagen

 

[Africa58double]

Don’t you need a 30/378 Weatherby for Deer?

Surely you can’t think a .58 Round ball would be enough.


Ps- My reference was the .58 Prb and the “80gr FFg”

 

[Griz44Mag]

Anyone in this thread still out there?
I have just acquired a 58. Shoot ffg with a prb
And am hitting bullseyes at 50 yards
Is this common?

Congratulations - a fine gun.
I acquired a double 58 some time back - one of the older Texas Trail Guns finished Safari guns (ie - longer 28" barrels)
They had installed a mercury recoil capsule in the stock and browned the entire gun.
I wanted a regulation at 75 yards, and that just was not going to happen with a single sight.
I removed the rear sight, cut dovetails in a steel bar and mounted (2) flip up Marbles #69 adjustable sights, one for the right and one for the left.
She's a shooter for sure. It seems to like both roundballs and .58 REAL bullets - along with 95-100 grains of 2F.
@Howie1968 has one also - but I think his is a .72. A real elephant gun!

 

[Africa58double]

Congratulations - a fine gun.
I acquired a double 58 some time back - one of the older Texas Trail Guns finished Safari guns (ie - longer 28" barrels)
They had installed a mercury recoil capsule in the stock and browned the entire gun.
I wanted a regulation at 75 yards, and that just was not going to happen with a single sight.
I removed the rear sight, cut dovetails in a steel bar and mounted (2) flip up Marbles #69 adjustable sights, one for the right and one for the left.
She's a shooter for sure. It seems to like both roundballs and .58 REAL bullets - along with 95-100 grains of 2F.
@Howie1968 has one also - but I think his is a .72. A real elephant gun!

If a 58 cal 600gr conical with a full charge of 2f isn’t enough- I’d best not be hunting that animal.
Had a opportunity for a .72 Kodiak ,yet I like my shoulder where it is.

What was the issue you had with a single sight?

 

[kipcarter]

If a 58 cal 600gr conical with a full charge of 2f isn’t enough- I’d best not be hunting that animal.
Had a opportunity for a .72 Kodiak ,yet I like my shoulder where it is.

What was the issue you had with a single sight?

I can assure you that when a Cape Buff is charging at you, and I have taken two of them, you don't even notice a 10 pound rifle. I used 120 gr. of GOI 2f and a 500 gr. conical on which I had installed a bronze tip. I will admit that your gun bearer may not be too happy with your 10 pound gun!

 

[rickystl]

I have a Pedersoli .58 Double I won in an auction a couple years ago. I have never fired it, and it appears to be in unfired condition. It has the two rear sights.
I've read on this Thread and another here that most shooters seem to have better luck using PRB versus conicals. I'm wondering if the type of rifling has something to do with that ? In later years, maybe Pedersoli used a rifling that was an attempt to satisfy a reasonable accuracy with either projectile (?).

Way back when I first noticed the early introduction of these doubles in Dixie's catalog, they came in three calibers: .50, .54, .58. I seem to recall the recommended load for the .50 and .58 included conical bullets. But the .54 recommendation specified PRB. That would seem that the rifling in the .54 was different (?) Of course, that would have been in the early years. That was probably changed down the road along with the addition of the two rear sights.

When you first view the gun, the use of conicals immediately come to mind. Wonder why the rifling was not done along the lines of the Enfields/Springfields with the shallow groove rifling made for use with conicals ? There are plenty of shooters out there that are very accurate with these muskets.

The use of that single, 45/70 rear sight sounds promising.

Didn't mean to ramble on here. Just some thoughts from a novice on these double rifles.

Rick