Pietta 1851 round balls or conicals ?

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I have used both but really prefer the round balls for loading and making paper cartridges. Plus round balls will take more powder than the longer conicals will. Now the only 36 I have is a colt police so its very limited on powder capacity vs the 51 and 61 colts.
 
You can shoot round ball or conical bullets. You may find that the loading port on the frame has to be opened up for some historical conical bullets in some reproduction revolvers. The reproduction revolvers often do not have a correctly-sized loading port as they assume everyone will shoot round ball.

Eras Gone Bullet Molds sells a couple of historical .36 bullet molds:

Richmond Laboratories bullet:
https://www.erasgonebullets.com/store/product/-36-richmond-labs

Colt Cartridge Works bullet:
https://www.erasgonebullets.com/store/product/-36-colt-cartridge-works
 
I shoot a lot of .36 Navies, having several 1851's of both the Pietta and Uberti variety. Owning a bunch of cap and ball revolvers, from pocket models to the Walker, I will state without hesitation that the .36 Navies are my favorite for just messing around and plinking. My guns shoot best with round balls, .375 for Pietta's, and .380 for Uberti's. Conicals are not a bad option, I've shot a bunch of them over the past 50 years, but I prefer round ball. In .36 caliber, round balls are very pleasant to shoot. If I am deliberately hunting and need the "power" of a conical, I would just go with one of several .44's I possess. Either projectile is historically accurate, and while am certain conicals were more widely used due to paper cartridges, round balls were not uncommon. I reckon it all depends on what you want to do with your gun, for just plinking, round balls are great. If maximum energy is your goal, go with a conical. BTW, while I don't recommend it, I did kill a large buck with my favorite (Pietta) 1851 .36 navy several years ago with a round ball. Clean kill at under 20 yards. Was not really hunting, but the opportunity presented itself as I was cutting wood during deer season, and that was the gun I had. Legal where I live, but not in every jurisdiction. I got a Lee mold that casts both a 130 grain conical, and a .375 round ball. Don't know if they still make such a thing.
Before springing for a new conical mold, shooters should ask themselves “ how many times has a ball failed to kill the animal being shot at, assuming good shot placement ?”.
Like you, if my .36 balls are inadequate I would simply go with one of my .44’s.
I always liked the higher velocity to be had with balls vs. conicals.
 
Certainly the 200g lee in my .44 is really fun to shoot and seems to pack a real punch compared to RB. RB often won't knock my steel I beam over if I hit low. The 200g conical sends it. for some reason I am shooting better with the conical and it seems to be more reliable? I have not been shooting paper groups but mostly shooting steel and really feel like I am more consistent than I was with RB despite what feels like twice the recoil. I started out this evening with a35yrd hit on a 5" steel and then I hit a 50yrd 6" steel. shooting reasonably fast. went to 10 yards and did really well on 5" steel shooting fast. I no longer have a shot timer but this felt like the beginnings of something good. That being said I might not bother with conicals in a .36.
 
Before springing for a new conical mold, shooters should ask themselves “ how many times has a ball failed to kill the animal being shot at, assuming good shot placement ?”.
Like you, if my .36 balls are inadequate I would simply go with one of my .44’s.
I always liked the higher velocity to be had with balls vs. conicals.
total agree..
 
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Before springing for a new conical mold, shooters should ask themselves “ how many times has a ball failed to kill the animal being shot at, assuming good shot placement ?”.
Like you, if my .36 balls are inadequate I would simply go with one of my .44’s.
I always liked the higher velocity to be had with balls vs. conicals.
A ball indeed works, but there are situations where there’s no way I’d depend on a ball. If it’s wounded and dangerous I’ll take a wide meplat bullet that will go nose to tail through a hog or black bear every single time. And honestly I’d take my 195 grn WFN over a ball anyway. Being just 0.460” long it doesn’t take up any powder capacity yet has a very wide meplat that’ll likely do more than a ball would.

I use sporting grade powders and would likely use my NMA Sheriff’s model which I ran the numbers for. Using a .457” ball and a roughly max charge:

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And with my 195 grn WFN and same load:

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The ball has to expand to even get close to the wound channel a wide meplat will make, especially as it slows down. If it’s angry with me then I want two good sized holes leaking with the pull of the trigger with as much tissue damage as possible in between those leaking holes.
 

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most of us don't have access to custom molds without breaking the bank. I am very happy with my 200g lee. Wish it had a flat nose but its almost the same profile as RB. not too pointy. Way back when I competed with modern pistols I used 200g semi wadcutter in my .45acp and really liked the combination of higher velocity and weight. That was also my carry round back then. 200g at over 1k fps :)
 
most of us don't have access to custom molds without breaking the bank. I am very happy with my 200g lee. Wish it had a flat nose but its almost the same profile as RB. not too pointy. Way back when I competed with modern pistols I used 200g semi wadcutter in my .45acp and really liked the combination of higher velocity and weight. That was also my carry round back then. 200g at over 1k fps :)
I hear you. I’m fairly frugal and all of my other molds are Lees. But I wanted a great hunting bullet, especially since these guns are rather limited. And I intend on buying one more custom Accurate mold which will allow me to maximize my load utilizing the best powder charge and giving me the extra mass with an ideal nose. And at that I’m looking at roughly standard .45 ACP performance of 850 fps and 370 ft/lbs. Your load in my 5.5” NMA using 25 grns and a 200 grn bullet shows .44 Spl performance of 811 fps with 292 ft/lbs, and needing to expand initially to create a similar permanent wound track. For me this is entry level humane/ethical performance. I’d trust it but I’d rather have a wide meplat, and more powder. I assume you’re using a full sized model which greatly enhances the performance to 890 FPS and 351 ft/lbs, which is standard .45 ACP performance.

Is 25 grns what you found the most accurate? I’m curious why you’ve settled on that when there’s plenty of room for more. I’m of the opinion that accuracy trumps all, though I’d be willing to shave a sliver for ideal performance.

I don’t have much hobby money, and they all seem to want their piece so I totally understand using what’s affordable. Shooting BP has suddenly become rather expensive!
 
I shoot the Lee conical in my 1860 Navy Pietta. It shoots low and left with a round ball. The conical shoots to the sights. I also load it with 4f powder so it has good bite to go with the bark. The 1851 may not accept the conical due to that tiny loading port. Yours may need to opened up.
 
Fifty years in for me percussion revolvers have always been too much fun to not enjoy load development and shooting various types of bullets. Going down that road learning various ways to tune the revolvers and to tune the loads is just part of the joy.
 
Before springing for a new conical mold, shooters should ask themselves “ how many times has a ball failed to kill the animal being shot at, assuming good shot placement ?”.
Like you, if my .36 balls are inadequate I would simply go with one of my .44’s.
I always liked the higher velocity to be had with balls vs. conicals.
Elmer Keith wrote that the civil war vets he knew as a kid always insisted the balls killed better than the bullets in any percussion revolver but of course they were referring to the pointed pills of the era not our flat point, wad cutter designs.
 
Fifty years in for me percussion revolvers have always been too much fun to not enjoy load development and shooting various types of bullets. Going down that road learning various ways to tune the revolvers and to tune the loads is just part of the joy.
Yeah, I've also just enjoyed setting here looking at, handling and working the actions when not on the range. I'm currently sitting here surrounded by three cap guns (revolvers) and two rifles with in reach that stay here all the time. My wife continually quipping " will you stop making that clicking noise"!. I can't remember not loving anything that shoots ! 😄
 
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Never shot a 36 conicals but after switching to conicals with my.44s I wouldn't go back. It's period correct and way more powerful.
Have you ever tried some of the heeled ACP designs in your 60s or 58's? I've only tried them a bit in the Walker and was quite impressed with them so far. I had to size the heel just enough to start in the chamber mouth and get them through the loading window in the lower frame. They go 210 grain and are about 12-13 BHN .
A box of them sized, lubed and ready to load along side a box of balls. Lubed felt wads in front stacked in plastic tubes for safe keep for the ball shooting.
 

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I have only used the Lee 220 and 200g molds. The 220g did not work at all. aparently its made for the ROA the 200g works great and gives me good accuracy. I would love a 200g semi wadcutter/ flat nose style bullet like the one in your photo. thats what I used in my .45acp back in the day when I shot IPSC . However the 200g lee bullet is working really well for me so will save some money and stick with it.
 
I have only used the Lee 220 and 200g molds. The 220g did not work at all. aparently its made for the ROA the 200g works great and gives me good accuracy. I would love a 200g semi wadcutter/ flat nose style bullet like the one in your photo. thats what I used in my .45acp back in the day when I shot IPSC . However the 200g lee bullet is working really well for me so will save some money and stick with it.
I've never killed any game with the bullet but think it would do a good job and shoot really flat as hand gun pills go.
 
The JD Concials fit the Ruger fine. The 47 Walker needed to have the port opened up. You could finagle the JD in but not easily.

I am trying the Conicals again in both guns, just something different to play with more than anything. Pretty much rounded out to the 94 ROA and the 47 Walker with other hand guns added as I feel like playing with them.

I have the unmentionable cylinders for the 47 Walker and one for the ROA on the way. Range is currently closed, winter the Unmentionable is better due to cold fingers. Spring, summer and fall more BP.

I am curious what the Cap situation does. I can get them but seriously expensive. I am seeing more and more powder and primers showing up. The only thing missing is Magnum Large Pistol (maybe rifle but I don't do those). Only powder not able to find is R-17.
 
Should not admit this but now it's conical types as I did a kirst deal on a 1860 and a dragoon
due to cap and powder wars as in they don't exist now. Still have several non not to mention versions and use hornaday balls in the box or lee mold balls.
 
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