Pioneer Powder

[Mulebrain]

I agree! This is crap, and just stuff to make them folks on the other side of the fence believe in some false magic! Looking for that edge, to get the leg up over someone else

Just like, golf and many other things, folks always looking to improve their scores and performance with "supposedly improved" items!

To me the sport right here, is the challenge in itself, and to do it the way it was done when guns like ours were originally made. That is the driving force of this hobby for me!

Seeking those magic bullets, magic patch material,magic powders on and on is a waste of time.

Time which could been spent on improving yourself as a shooter :v

Folks are always looking for something to believe in, and the best place to start is yourself :thumbsup:

 

[Deadeye]

This may or may not be exactly right but it's the way I remember it. Someone came up with the idea of a "vitamin C" based powder calling it longshooter or something like that, it didn't work very well. Some of the employes took the technology and made a powder called Black Canyon
it was terrible, they said their powder was perfect and it was up to the ML industry to make guns that would shoot it, they also claimed 1000s of rounds without cleaning, they went bust, then they came up with clean shot or clear shot, it didn't work either so now they have come up with Pioneer. some say they like it, some hate it, I guess you have to try it and draw your own conclusions.

 

[biliff]

I use it primarily in cartridges for cowboy action shooting. In its 3F version it meters pretty well thru a powder measure. The 2F version tends to hang up. It is affected by moisture. Each can has a dessicant pack in it and you can't leave it overnight in your measure or it will clump up. It doesn't require any special lube and I don't see any deteriation in accurracy over the course of a match. It is the only powder besides smokeless that I can use in my .44 Russian without it binding up (very tight BC gap).
I have used it in my LePage pistol with PRB. It was accurrate and didn't need to be wiped between shots. Clean up was quick with just water (same as regular BP).
The residue is pretty benign to steel. It will turn brass green pretty darn quick though. My fired cases get dumped into a jug of soapy water immediately after firing and the carriers on my toggle links get hosed down and lubed up as soon as possible.

 

[Headhunter]

I for one think it is quite possible to shoot 5000 rounds without cleaning. Your charge would have to be extremely light, You could really soak a patch down with water or BP solvent at each loading so it would clean as you seat the bullet.

I believe it would be possible.

5,000 full house hunting loads? NO WAY.

Headhunter

 

[Dave K]

I have used it and it is OK. Doesn't work well in the flinter. It does seem to lose it's poop after a period of time, but it still goes bang and squirrels and doves still fall. Clean up is easy and fast. It is not as good as BP, but if that is all I could get so I could shoot, I would be happy to have it. I have shot both the 3F and 2F in both rifles and shotguns.

 

[Rat Trapper]

Around here a lot of it is being sold. From the reports I've heard, it works pretty well in the modern rifles. It sells for around $22 per bottle here. I know one person who fired it in his rifle and waited about 10 months to clean it and there was no rust. I do not recommend such practices and the fine print on the bottle says to clean your rifle after each use. I don't use it as Triple Seven has worked very well for me and provides higher muzzle vel. On the plus side the little tubes they pack the permeasured powder in are some of the best tubes I have found. Guy gave me 8 and now I wish I had either talked him out of more or bought them from him. these tubes are real nice to carry premeasured powder to either the range or woods. The down side of all the subs is shelf life. I always burn up my old powder and make sure I have a fresh bottle for hunting season. so I think it is only going to be a problem for the guy who is only going to shoot dozen shots or less per year. I never had a prblem shooting up my left over powder after hunting season. Range time is fun.