Please don't shoot me

[coredneck]

but I am going to ask anyway..scopes on blackpowder rifles... I was thinking of putting one on my tc omega to use during rifle season (bp season you can't use a scope) mostly for those early morning/late evening hunts here my old eyes don't work as well. I just have no idea what to look for as far as low power but great at bringing in the light. I do have a .54 that is my project rifle that I plan on doing a old fashioned sling and hope to find someone who can redo the stock (its pretty plain looking)

 

[bisleyjohn]

I had a repro Williams 5x on my repro Sharps. Sometimes regret I parted with it.

 

[Treestalker]

When it comes to hunting, I'd rather have a clean shot at an animal, to give it the best chance of not being wounded. I don't worry about HC/PC police when I hunt, the state sets the rules and it's hard to look like Simon or Daniel when wearing the Orange Kool Aid. I would use a scope if I needed it. My legs are too shot up to chase wounded animals.

 

[ADK Bigfoot]

I have a lefty Great Plains rifle. My solution was a weaver rail mounted just behind the rear sight (drilled and tapped, screwed in place) and mounted a 2x pistol scope (long or intermediate eye relief) with quick release rings. I have two barrels, one so equipped and the other as issued. I can shoot either as the laws require/allow.

I get good accuracy with either barrel, but the small scope does allow better vision under some conditions. It's your gun, do what you want.

The TC Omega is an inline and not a subject for this site.

ADK Bigfoot

 

[Tumbledown]

You're talking scopes and inlines, two things out of bounds on this forum.

 

[user 48679]

Please don't shoot me

BANG ! !

 

[deermanok]

You should go over to the sister site, modern muzzleloaders to get the answers to your questions.

 

[Bob McBride]

Bang.

 

[Zonie]

This is a traditional muzzleloading site where we discuss the guns and reproduction of the guns that were made before 1865.

For a site that talks about modern in-line guns go to our sister site, Modern Muzzleloader

Here's a link to it.

https://www.modernmuzzleloader.com/

 

[HiDesertHunter]

My state of Oregon is fairly strict with regard to ML regs. Loose powder, open ignition, no sabots, jacketed bullets and open & peep only.

About the only thing that has changed over the years is the addition of allowing fiber optic sights.

I remember many years ago when 'unmentionables' started showing up during ML only hunts, Oregon 'quietly' changed the changed the laws one year clamping down on the requirements to what I described above.

That year it caught a LOT of hunters off guard - many who had tags for the season but failed to recognize the new regs - and only owned 'unmentionable' muzzleloaders.

Well, for that year, for those who had tags AND had always hunted with 'traditional' rifles it was like a ghost town in the unit we were hunting in.

The few hunters we encountered while out had some laughs amongst ourselves about it but the 'others' should have kept up with the regulations.

 

[coredneck]

hence the don't shoot me LOL Co about the same as OR, during muzzle loader season its loose powder, no sabots, open sights as well, but once reg rifle season comes around you can have a scope (still can't use sabots and have to use loose powder)

 

[Smokey Plainsman]

“Scopes aren’t period”

YEAH RIGHT

 

[1853enfield]

i put a no drill scope mount on my renegade for a short while just to test loads. the peep sight i have on it really works pretty well but for testing the scope came in handy. i know i am going to go to the hot place down there for using a scope but it helped. I refuse to shoot long range so i really dont need the scope but it was fun to see the groups shrink a bit. I wish there was a true primitive hunting season. when i first started hunting black powder there were special seasons that were fairly long and late in the year when the odds of seeing an animial were higher. Now that the modern muzzle loaders are used the season has shortened and time of year changed. i hear shooters in sporting goods stores talking about taking 250 300 yard shots with their inline shooting 200 gr bp and sabot. it wouldnt have to be real hard for a season with nothing more modern than a hawken. i know some would say it should be a flint gun. in those days everyone wanted to buy a TC renegade or hawken. now hunters want to shoot modern guns in a bp season. joe in Washington ( state not the commie DC)

 

[Greg Blackburn]

They won't shoot you but they'll close a thread on an inline. Good luck on your scoping and hunting.

 

[TFoley]

You're talking scopes and inlines, two things out of bounds on this forum.

Is that so?

In that case, we can't discuss the sharpshooters on both sides during your recent civil war that used scopes on their muzzleloading rifles. Optical sights have been around for muzzleloading applications since at least the 1830s.

The first documented telescopic rifle sight was invented between 1835 and 1840. In a book titled The Improved American Rifle, written in 1844, civil engineer John R. Chapman documented the first telescopic sights made by Morgan James of Utica, New York. Chapman gave James the concepts and some of the design, whereupon they produced the Chapman-James sight. In 1855, William Malcolm of Syracuse, New York began producing his own sight. Malcolm used an original design incorporating achromatic lenses like those used in telescopes, and improved the windage and elevation adjustments. They were between three and twenty magnification (possibly more). Malcolm's and those made by L. M. Amidon of Vermont were the standard during the Civil War. Still other telescopic rifle sights of the same period were the Davidson and the Parker Hale.[4]

An early practical refractor telescope based telescopic sight was built in 1880 by August Fiedler (Stronsdorf, Austria), forestry commissioner of Prince Reuss. Later telescopic sights with extra long eye relief became available for handgun and scout rifle use

 

[fireman1]

Is that so?

In that case, we can't discuss the sharpshooters on both sides during your recent civil war that used scopes on their muzzleloading rifles. Optical sights have been around for muzzleloading applications since at least the 1830s.

The first documented telescopic rifle sight was invented between 1835 and 1840. In a book titled The Improved American Rifle, written in 1844, civil engineer John R. Chapman documented the first telescopic sights made by Morgan James of Utica, New York. Chapman gave James the concepts and some of the design, whereupon they produced the Chapman-James sight. In 1855, William Malcolm of Syracuse, New York began producing his own sight. Malcolm used an original design incorporating achromatic lenses like those used in telescopes, and improved the windage and elevation adjustments. They were between three and twenty magnification (possibly more). Malcolm's and those made by L. M. Amidon of Vermont were the standard during the Civil War. Still other telescopic rifle sights of the same period were the Davidson and the Parker Hale.[4]

An early practical refractor telescope based telescopic sight was built in 1880 by August Fiedler (Stronsdorf, Austria), forestry commissioner of Prince Reuss. Later telescopic sights with extra long eye relief became available for handgun and scout rifle use

TFoley....that is some fascinating info! Do you have a link or can you point me in a direction where I can read more?

Thanks!

 

[TFoley]

Do a search here in this site for Whitworth rifle and Davidson scope. A few shooters from the South made a lot of folks from the North wish they'd never heard of either gentlemen. General Reynolds at Gettysburg and General Sedgwick at Spotsylvania courthouse were just two of the highest-ranking victims of a sharpshooter, probably shooting a scoped rifle.

Another good video to watch is Ian McCollum's 'Forgotten Weapons' on Youtube - check out civil war sniper/Whitworth rifle.

 

[stink koat]

You're talking scopes and inlines, two things out of bounds on this forum.

I AGREE 10,000 % AGAINST SCOPES AND INLINES! Where will it end? These "Primitive hunting seasons are for those who love the old ways with the old guns. Will there be someone who comes up with the idea of installing an electronic sensing guided ball fired from a front stuffer that they fired from a mile away! Are all these "SO-CALLED DEER HUNTERS" so desperate of "PROVING THEIR MANHOOD?" This is SUPPOSED to "RECREATE" the hunting of yesteryear NOT to brag back at the office, "yep, got me another deer with my muzzleloader" ! I am 70 years old now and have never taken a deer with my traditional flintlocks. My stalking skills did not allow this, am I disappointed? HELL NO! I have spent wonderful time in the woods with my family & friends! I would NEVER change the way I have hunted. You can keep being the frauds that you are!

 

[rickpa]

i put a no drill scope mount on my renegade for a short while just to test loads. the peep sight i have on it really works pretty well but for testing the scope came in handy. i know i am going to go to the hot place down there for using a scope but it helped. I refuse to shoot long range so i really dont need the scope but it was fun to see the groups shrink a bit. I wish there was a true primitive hunting season. when i first started hunting black powder there were special seasons that were fairly long and late in the year when the odds of seeing an animial were higher. Now that the modern muzzle loaders are used the season has shortened and time of year changed. i hear shooters in sporting goods stores talking about taking 250 300 yard shots with their inline shooting 200 gr bp and sabot. it wouldnt have to be real hard for a season with nothing more modern than a hawken. i know some would say it should be a flint gun. in those days everyone wanted to buy a TC renegade or hawken. now hunters want to shoot modern guns in a bp season. joe in Washington ( state not the commie DC)

Pennsylvania has a traditional season after Christmas, flint only, single barrel, open or peep sights, .45 minimum, buck or doe. At one time it was PRB only but I think conicals can be used now. Statewide it's 2 weeks, concurrent with archery (why do they get all the long seasons?) but several WMUs have an additional 2 weeks making all of January a flint only season. There is another ML season in October but it's any ML, doe only, and runs for a week concurrent with archery. Archery meaning mostly crossbows now. I shot a recurve for years and didn't like it when compounds were allowed. Now I quit archery altogether. Just too old fashioned I guess.

 

[Smokey Plainsman]

SCOPE IS PERIOD.

PERIOD!!!