Plugged Bore

[chorizo]

anyone that has ever operated heavy tracked equipment understands the force a simple grease gun can apply.

Essentially, you are making a hydraulic press with grease as the medium.

 

[LME]

The thing that makes me think the grease woukd work is he tried shooting it and co2. If those didn't leak I think the grease would work fine.

I have had to remove things stuck and I never had one that shooting it out didn't work? If he can't shoot it out he is doing something wrong I would think?

 

[poker]

Essentially, you are making a hydraulic press with grease as the medium.

All fine and dandy until there’s any kind of gap around that maxi. If there is, thats where the grease goes.

 

[chorizo]

All fine and dandy until there’s any kind of gap around that maxi. If there is, thats where the grease goes.

Not the last band and if your grease, if viscous and applied quick enough it isn't going to leak enough to make a difference.

Speaking from experience or just speak from.....

 

[poker]

Not the last band and if your grease, if viscous and applied quick enough it isn't going to leak enough to make a difference.

Speaking from experience or just speak from.....

You must be pretty well practiced at pumping to get your grease gun going that fast

 

[chorizo]

You must be pretty well practiced at pumping to get your grease gun going that fast

compressor rig

 

[Brokennock]

And we have another applicant for the "lead box society."

 

[mtsage]

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Do you have the long 1/4x28 grease zerk? You will need it. They are easy to find where I am, but you may have trouble finding one at every store.

I have been reading this thread with much interest. If it were mine, and without a grease gun, I would find the proper fitting zerk and then find lookup one of my farmer or mechanic buddies and have them give it a try with the grease gun option. All mechanic shops and farmers have grease guns and most would love the challenge of this. Just my thoughts.

 

[Idaho Ron]

Harry and I have spoken. I believe he will be sending me the barrel to remove the obstruction.
I have resources to use a very high pressure grease gun if mine doesn't work. I'm confident I can get it out.

With his permission I will document the procedure and make a video.
I will also use my endoscope to take pictures before and after. Along with cleaning and polishing the bore.

 

[wganz]

I have had to remove things stuck and I never had one that shooting it out didn't work? If he can't shoot it out he is doing something wrong I would think?

the problem with 'shooting it out' is leaving an air space between the breech plug face & the projectile. In example, if the projectile is half way down the barrel as in my case. That would be roughly 500 grains of 2Fg to just trickle in loosely. Again, I might be crazy but I darn sure aren't stupid enough to pull a trigger on that load. Alternatively, leaving 6" of air space is setting up the conditions for a detonation. Neither are a 'good thing'.

Just my 2¢,

 

[R Ellis]

I have had to remove things stuck and I never had one that shooting it out didn't work? If he can't shoot it out he is doing something wrong I would think?

I agree 100%

 

[Brokennock]

Well,,, guess what,,,, the o.p. has one that wouldn't shoot out.
Constant blathering about shooting it out and about experiences doing so isn't really helping him is it?

 

[LME]

the problem with 'shooting it out' is leaving an air space between the breech plug face & the projectile. In example, if the projectile is half way down the barrel as in my case. That would be roughly 500 grains of 2Fg to just trickle in loosely. Again, I might be crazy but I darn sure aren't stupid enough to pull a trigger on that load. Alternatively, leaving 6" of air space is setting up the conditions for a detonation. Neither are a 'good thing'.

Just my 2¢,

If the rifle is loaded you can drive the ball down until it seats on the charge. A lead ball/bulletcan be driven down fairly easy.

 

[sturmkatze]

As a recap for those that didn't see his attempts.

The OP said the bullet is stuck. He has a ram rod and bullet puller broken off in the barrel.

He tried a co2 bullet remover

He tried putting powder under the nipple.

The rifle was at a gunsmith for over 2 months.
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If the OP is still reading this thread.
Send the barrel to me and I will remove the bullet, clean it and ship it back un damaged for a small fee.

But it wasn't a black powder gunsmith. That's the key

 

[R Ellis]

I was gifted a 54 cal investarms with a patched round ball that was stuck for 4 years two different people had try to get it out with no success it had water and all kinds of stuff poured down the barrel it was beyond repair . I removed the nipple worked some powder in and tried to shoot it out it took 3 tries but it came out just had to get enough powder in I sent the barrel to Bobby Hoyt and now I have a 58 smooth bore that I really like. Point is sometimes you need more than 1 attempt to make it work JMO

 

[FishDFly]

I wouldn't do it. I would never recommend it. But I also have rifles that I really like and replacing them would be very difficult.
Maybe if I had a cva I might do it just to see the sparks of the rifling being ground off by the puller.

Some times folks should learn from the voice of knowledgeable persons here.

 

[wganz]

If the rifle is loaded you can drive the ball down until it seats on the charge. A lead ball/bulletcan be driven down fairly easy.

In my case, there was a point of diminishing returns and decided to stop digging in the hole I was already in.
My bias comes from too many years of being ‘Safety’ in the HazMat world.
“Just what were you thinking when you did that?!?!?” was a consistent theme in too many incidents.
So, ‘Just blow it out’ vs. controlled pumping with a $6 tube of grease and a $1 fitting is a No Brainer for me.

 

[chorizo]

In my case, there was a point of diminishing returns and decided to stop digging in the hole I was already in.
My bias comes from too many years of being ‘Safety’ in the HazMat world.
“Just what were you thinking when you did that?!?!?” was a consistent theme in too many incidents.
So, ‘Just blow it out’ vs. controlled pumping with a $6 tube of grease and a $1 fitting is a No Brainer for me.

And there you have it. People forget we are playing with explosives and doing things we likely do not have experience/training with and in an uncontrolled situation.

You really don't want to be "Lucky"

 

[French Colonial]

I started shooting ML's in the 70's, now I find out I should of had a grease gun all this time! Except I don't have any percussion rifles either (Not counting non-shooting collectables) so I will have to figure out how to hook it to the vent.

My only other choice is to keep doing what has worked for soon to be 50 years......

It is fun to read about all the catastrophes that I have managed to avoid all these years however.

 

[chorizo]

I started shooting ML's in the 70's, now I find out I should of had a grease gun all this time! Except I don't have any percussion rifles either (Not counting non-shooting collectables) so I will have to figure out how to hook it to the vent.

My only other choice is to keep doing what has worked for soon to be 50 years......

It is fun to read about all the catastrophes that I have managed to avoid all these years however.

Yep, kind of like coal mining into the mid 1900's......hundreds of years of experience, unimpeded by technology and progress