So this version you link to is still too early? This is what I was going to start on.
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Shirt pattern is fine, though you may need to make wider cuffs and adjustments to the collar.
The frock pattern is too early, and that style was unlikely to have been used during the Mountain Man period.
Feel free to PM me and I will be happy to walk you through shirt construction. The body can be made of a single piece or front & back with a shoulder seam.
The frock pattern is too early, and that style was unlikely to have been used during the Mountain Man period.
Feel free to PM me and I will be happy to walk you through shirt construction. The body can be made of a single piece or front & back with a shoulder seam.
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Just a warning about pig skin leather. It does not stretch like deer or cow hide. (Which is why it is used in top of the line footballs). I made the mistake of making a pair of breeches from some years ago. they ripped quite easily. :idunno: :idunno:
lol, ok thanks, wanted to use them for a waistcoat.
SO my progress on this "Test" shirt, still have to do the cuffs, my backs killing me from sewing so have to wait till tomorrow.
Off hand the neck is way to big so have to reduce that, the front slit way to low so reduce that by half, other then that, not a bad fit
SO my progress on this "Test" shirt, still have to do the cuffs, my backs killing me from sewing so have to wait till tomorrow.
Off hand the neck is way to big so have to reduce that, the front slit way to low so reduce that by half, other then that, not a bad fit
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Looks very short - should come to mid-thigh or lower. Sleeves should be full and gathered at the shoulder-seam.
yup they go to the hips. So they should be puckered at the shoulder?
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The extra sleeve material is pleated at the shoulder and cuff. Extra body width is pleated at the collar. These shirts are quite loose/roomy.
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Yes, sleeves are gathered onto the body of the shirt. The collar is gathered 'round the front, and the center back as well. The shirt front opening can extend almost as far as the center of you chest.
(egad! I wish I had taken off that gage d'amour :redface: )
Ok that would make more sense in the neck width. Will try and fix the neck part.
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Thanks!
Interesting material on you're test shirt... Neck isn't to big IMO, when it's hot out you'll be glad you have the extra "airway". Keep in mind people from the period dressed in layers according to the environment. They also didn't have the luxury of producing garments at the rate we do so one shirt would possibly be it for months.
Stay away from leather shirts, there's a reason textiles replaced leather garments as rapidly as they did and pig hide is a terrible choice anyways.
Might I suggest a gusset at the bottom of the neck slit. It'll strengthen the area were it's prone to tear easily.
Stay away from leather shirts, there's a reason textiles replaced leather garments as rapidly as they did and pig hide is a terrible choice anyways.
Might I suggest a gusset at the bottom of the neck slit. It'll strengthen the area were it's prone to tear easily.
Well, if you like 1820's mountain man garb. I would get a red flannel that was a wool/linen (probably have to settle for wool/cotton) blend. I'd do the box shirt with the squares. Pull over style. Down to mid-thigh. Probably white bone buttons. The cuff -I think only about 1" wide is correct. Hand sew it all with linen thread.
On the coat- a white blanket capote. They used to crawl up on Buff and the white made them look like a wolf. Keep any left over blanket for a wolf ear cap. If you plan on a hat- a collar rather than a hood on the capote. For pants, fringed buckskin, or if your weight goes up and down a lot- leggings- as they always fit. On the pantaloons- criss cross suspenders- not the Y kind and the shirt over and then a belt.
Then a center seam/vamp moc with red wool over the vamp and the vamp edge/seam covered with a single row of white beads.
On the coat- a white blanket capote. They used to crawl up on Buff and the white made them look like a wolf. Keep any left over blanket for a wolf ear cap. If you plan on a hat- a collar rather than a hood on the capote. For pants, fringed buckskin, or if your weight goes up and down a lot- leggings- as they always fit. On the pantaloons- criss cross suspenders- not the Y kind and the shirt over and then a belt.
Then a center seam/vamp moc with red wool over the vamp and the vamp edge/seam covered with a single row of white beads.
Thank you.
Haven't had time to fix the shirt yet. The gusset on the front is still coming. Have to remove the cuff so to add the pleats. Capote is next on the list, I have a line on Wool fabric, have to buy 5yrds at a time.
A gentleman made me some deer antler buttons that im picking up today.
Will post the corrections when done.
Guess will keep the pig skin for pouches lol
Haven't had time to fix the shirt yet. The gusset on the front is still coming. Have to remove the cuff so to add the pleats. Capote is next on the list, I have a line on Wool fabric, have to buy 5yrds at a time.
A gentleman made me some deer antler buttons that im picking up today.
Will post the corrections when done.
Guess will keep the pig skin for pouches lol
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Stay away from antler buttons. They were not used and are a modern invention. For shirts, bone, horn, metal and thread buttons were used.Dragonsfire said:
Ok what about for the belt pouches, thats what their primarily for?
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Dragonsfire said:
FWIW, I have run across period references where pigskin was one of the leathers used to make Shot Pouches in the 18th century in VA. (In the mountain man era, these came to be called by various names for the over the shoulder pouch in which rifleman stored their shooting equipment.) I imagine if your persona came from back East from most of the states, pigskin would be correct for the "shooting bag" and various other pouches.
The only problem with trying to use pigskin today for a Shot Pouch is it is not easy to get full thickness pigskin and much of that leather that can be procured is too thin for the pouch, but not for the small pouches one may wish to make.
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Not even belt pouches. Pewter buttons I've seen, but even buttons on pouches aren't all that common.
9121-54 - Super Softy Pigskin Suede Rust.
Bought it two years ago, no longer carried by Tandy. 1mm thick
Bought it two years ago, no longer carried by Tandy. 1mm thick
Com`on man.
Take a good look around what going on here and some of the links you've been shown.
Study the archives,, the info found here can-not be put into books, it's simply too vast.
Seeking validation with or/for products-styles-techniques that don't really fit is understood,,
People here can be very "accommodating" and many will encourage,,
The piece of pigskin you show in your photo above is not appropriate for any historical time period as it applies to this forum.
It's a discontinued Tandy piece that could be used for something modern.
Does your wife need a new purse?
Take a good look around what going on here and some of the links you've been shown.
Study the archives,, the info found here can-not be put into books, it's simply too vast.
Seeking validation with or/for products-styles-techniques that don't really fit is understood,,
People here can be very "accommodating" and many will encourage,,
The piece of pigskin you show in your photo above is not appropriate for any historical time period as it applies to this forum.
It's a discontinued Tandy piece that could be used for something modern.
Does your wife need a new purse?
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