Recoil

I understand compressed loads fully,smokeless and black. All my BPC rifles shoot loads compressed 1/8 in. to a max of 3/16 of an inch. 70 grs. of black in a 45-70 case under a 500 gr. bullet isn't compressed, it's crushed!

Vic

 

[rebel727]

It works tho.

 

[Roy]

I don't really notice recoil.

Shoot one of these with 6oz of shot and tell me that. :rotf:

Oh it doesn't kick you in the teeth, just rocks you back a wee bit. :grin:

 

[rebel727]

I'd love to try it. Once anyway.(I think) :grin:

 

[Roy]

Well come on over :grin:

 

[rebel727]

I've got a niece in Grayson. How far is that from you? I don't get up there much tho.

 

[Halftail]

I got one rifle(T/C Rennegade)Shooting that thing bites heck out of my Cheekbone.Always did too.I have shot that thing for years and done good with it too.Haven't shot it much since getting my Jim Chambers York and my Lyman flintlock.I went and took mt Rennegade to the range and shot it 10 or 15 times and came home with a bruised cheek bone again.Something about it flatter shaped stock that I have to press my face down ot get sight and it seems to bite my face.I don't know how I put up with that all these years. :shake:
I can shoot my other T/C's with no problems.

 

[Roy]

I did some house work in Grayson a year or so ago, its about an hours drive away.

 

[rebel727]

North or South. My sis lives in Douglasville.

 

[longfowler]

I have yet to fire any b/p gun,with any load or bullet combo, that kicks as bad as my 10 ga turkey gun. maybe I just need to find a bigger b/p rifle!

 

[pondoro]

When my daughter wanted to hunt deer she tried my 12 gauge with slugs and a rubber recoil pad and my Hawken with a maxi-ball and the curved butt plate. She chose the shotgun.

I would not at all oppose a Hawken with a rubber butt pad, but I didn't want to cut mine up. And the curved stock seemed to be as bad as the curved butt plate - it hit her in the cheek. She is a lot taller now and I think I could fashion a slip-on butt pad and cheek piece that would let her shoot the Hawken with heavy loads, without having to permanently modify it.

 

[Bountyhunter]

You need to read the book, "Loading for the .45-70 Springfield Trapdoor" by J.Spencer Wolf.

It is the bible on .45-70's and it explains how to crush the powder for best results under the 500 grain Govt bullet, but, that's getting off the subject of this thread that I started.

Bill

 

[Bountyhunter]

My Santa Fe .53 is a right handed gun. I shoot left handed. I only put up with that face slappin a couple times and I took the miserable beast back to the bench and worked that stock over with a shoeing rasp. I cut that comb back a ways to fit my face contours. If you look close in that picture I posted on the Hawken pics, you can see the dish in that stock. Broke the beast to lead, made her plumb comfortable to get next to.

Bill

 

[Bountyhunter]

Hey Reb,,,

When you go shoot that elephant gun, you gotta let me know so I can get Keeney over there to take pictures. Walter just wouldnt be the same if he didnt have a picture of you shootin that cannon.

B

 

[rebel727]

I'd like to see Walter touch it off. :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

 

[RedFeather]

For realism I use 90 grs. of FF in my 58 Springfield with a 525 gr Minie ball but when I hunt with it the charge goes up to 120 grs.

How does 90 grains in a musket equate to realism? The service charge was around 65. At 120 or even 90, how do you keep from blowing the skirts out? What are you hunting that needs that much ooomph?

 

[rebel727]

How does 90 grains in a musket equate to realism? The service charge was around 65. At 120 or even 90, how do you keep from blowing the skirts out? What are you hunting that needs that much ooomph?

The service charge was 70 grs. I've recovered bullets from Civil War battlefields that were apparently fired into the ground at point blank range due to the extreme mushrooming. To duplicate this with similar bullets in similar ground with an original 61 Enfield requires 90 grs. of FF. It duplicates the mushrooming exactly. My theory is todays powder is weaker than what they used back then. I've never blown a skirt off using original style Minie balls. I understand this is a problem with modern designs. My home casts are true to the original three ringers with the exception of the noses being flat instead of pointed. My repro Enfield has a point of aim impact of 150 yds with 90 grs. and 200 with 120. That's why I hunt with the higher charge.

 

[Patrick Hand]

When I was in the Army (knee deep in granade pins... hey it's a tradition to start all military storys that way....)
Anyway, m-16's don't kick.... but when they attached a granade launcher under it (M-203) the light weight of the m-16 and it's thin butt.... dang that thing had some kick..... We had to fire a 12 gauge, for post interior guard duty.... I'd always heard how 12 gauges "Kicked" so I leaned into it like I would with the 203..... dang I was dissapointed.....

Ok... that was a long time ago...

I have a .50 cal Southern Mountain rifle, it's thinner butt has more "kick/ sharper push" than when I fire my .58 Enfield with it's wider buttplate......

Guess it all depends on what you'r firing.... weight, shape of the butt plate... load and alla the differences.......

Still fun tho....... :grin:

 

I've got 4 books on reloading BPC cartridges and have been shooting them successfully in matches for over 15 years. My 40-70 literally shoots into one hole at 100 yards and will stay under MOA out to 400. I believe I'll stay with my practices.

Vic

 

[rebel727]

You've got a good one then. I've never seen one hold that tight that far.