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I can walk at a fast pace while reloading. I can not yet do it fluently while running.This would be a practised exercise. It can be done. Frontiersmen made bets on who could do it the fastest.
 
I'm sure there are things in the film which are pure Hollywood, but when you compare the movie to the book you can see how much work the writers have done on this one to make it more believable! :hatsoff: The book has some real whoppers in it.
 
Mark Baker personally trained Daniel Day-Lewis to load while on the run and to load and shoot a flinter in general. He became rather fond of shooting black powder but had to give it up when he went back to England. Too much red tape even for a celeb.

-Ray
 
yep, Simon, apparently the feller (a friend of mine) who trained DDL in the firing of a muzzle loader failed to train him to load on the run...not knocking Mark or my friend and after reading the posts about folks trying it themselves, i gotta say, loading a muzzleloader on the run must be an iffy thing...lotta respect to them all, mistakes and all, still a great movie...Lee
 
i have fired to brown besses in this fashion before. however they were loaded with just powder as it was at a F and I reenactment. my unit was supposed to take heavy casualities and we don't like leaving loaded muskets around unattended so i took my "dead" buddy's bess and my own and fired at the same time one in each hand. however i cocked each one individually. my fellow reenactors got the joke. god knows what the public thought but it was damn funny.

sorry that was probably a bit off topic. but i think that if the rifle that Hawkeye picked up was already cocked and ready to rock then he could have fired both just like the scene shows, but he wouldn't have hit a damn thing.
 
I can instruct you how to run to make it possible to reload a MLer on the run, but I am not going to suggest everyone can do this, or anyone can do it over unknown, rough ground, as shown in the movie.

You use a "fax Walk", but run. It differs from how we mostly walk, which is upright, with our knees locking on the leg we thrust forward, so that we lean and then fall forward onto the heel of that shoe, and then shift our weight from the back foot to the front foot, as the front foot slowly lowers to lay flat on the surface.

With the fox walk, and "Fax Run", you unlock your knees, stoop over a bit, and you leave your weight on the rear foot while your forward foot is placed flat on the surface. Only when its fully down flat on the surface is the weight shifted from the back foot to the forward foot. The appearance to onlookers is that the person is gliding along, as there is NO up and down motion that is easily seen when we walk with locked knees. Indians used this Fox Walk, and Fox Run to cover miles of ground quickly, without the stress and pounding on the spine, and chest wall muscles that occur the way we westerner walk and run. W/o all the internal organs bouncing up and down, your body is able to be more efficient at breathing, and cycling blood and oxygen to the muscles in use.

The first time you try it, you will feel strain in your hips, knees, and ankles, simply because the muscles and tendons are not used to working that way. However, it is a much better way to walk, anytime you are walking over rough ground. By leaving your body weight on your rear foot, you can feel the ground ahead for sticks, stones, and debris that might otherwise trip you, twist and ankle, or do other harm, that can be easily avoided by moving that foot back, left or right, or sometimes further forward. It is the method of walking to use when going into the woods to hunt, and while stalking. It is amazingly quiet, compared to the noise you make when walking " normally!"

There are exercises you can practice to get better at using this walking/running technique, and get much more adept at covering rough trails and ground on the run, while still being able to use your upper body for separate movements. I have students put on blindfolds, and remove their shoes and socks. Then they follow a rope around a trailed course, feeling their way along with their feet, and hands, instead of Looking their way over the ground. They all report being much better in tune with their feet, and find they are less likely to step on stones, or sticks, or trip over things after doing the exercise daily over several weeks. Most adults can't remember the last time they walked down a trail in the woods, or even on the grass in their own back yards, barefoot.

It would be silly to think that you could just put on a loin cloth, or leather pants, and leather moccasins, grab a MLer rifle, and take off up a steep mountain trail reloading and shooting your gun on the run, without training yourself in the skills needed to do such a thing.
 
Since DDL caused such a stir with loading and running,and I know that it's possible with quite a few different techniques, does anyone know how to load a ML at a dead run? I figure thats a skill I might need to perfect if I ever miss a shot at an angry feral hog. :shocked2:
Ain't to many mountains down here in South Texas to try to run up or climb. :surrender: :rotf:
 
I saw that movie. Its one of my favorites. It wasn't precisely accurate, but it does convey the spirit of the times pretty well. And by Hollywood standards it was a standout. Its an excellant introduction to the era and American History for young kids. It presents flintlocks in a positive manner.

I read the original. Great American literature but very difficult for many modern readers to relate to. Too much flowery victorianesque prose.
And, in my opinion, inferior to the movie.

I read somewhere that Daniel Day Lewis actually took the time to personally learn how to handle, load,and fire a flintlock rifle. Better than Mel Gibson in Patriot. He's quite a guy. He was rumored to have been in Italy, learning how to make hand-made shoe just for the heck of it when he was called for this role.

Wish they would make sequels to it. It has some great lines - like General Webb's flawed description of the French, or his probably more accurate description of the "lay of the land" when dealing with colonists, or Magua tirade on how the English treat their women.

I also thought Wes Studi was spectacular - he WAS Magua. The guy who played Montcalm was great. Its my understanding he spoke only French at the time the movie was made. Monroe was great too, as was Russell Means.

I still watch it whenever I can.

Its right up there with "Glory", "Master and Commander" and "The Last Samauri" in my book. Great entertainment.
 
paulvallandigham said:
It would be silly to think that you could just put on a loin cloth, or leather pants, and leather moccasins, grab a MLer rifle, and take off up a steep mountain trail reloading and shooting your gun on the run, without training yourself in the skills needed to do such a thing.

Training? Hmmm...
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmHm79QY1X0[/youtube]

On that Fox Walk... sounds like don Juan. :wink:
 
Mr. Vallandigham- This walking method you describe is quite interesting, the more since I was unaware of it. Do you have any references (or especially any sites which may show in video how it is done) which might be found on the 'net to better learn about this method? Thanks GWW
 
I recommend Journey to Ixtlan by Carlos Castaneda. That is the don Juan reference I made.

You also have to curl your fingers and point your thumbs forward. :wink:
 
Pichou said:
I recommend Journey to Ixtlan by Carlos Castaneda. That is the don Juan reference I made.

You also have to curl your fingers and point your thumbs forward. :wink:

"Journey to Ixtlan" was made into a movie?

I read the book, back in the late 70s, I think. A movie would be...of a different genre.

I fox walk when wearing mocs or shoepacks. One can't wear mocs and walk in mud, on wet grass, or downhill on wet, muddy grass without falling, unless one foxwalks, taking short, quick steps.

Hey Paul, Have you done any training or tracking in NJ?
 
That video is great! Too funny.

It's funny so many people don't seem to like LOTM, I like it quite a bit. IMO, it's so very much better then Jeramiha Johnson. That movie about puts me to sleep. My all time favorite though is "The Mountain Men".

thanks for the video. :thumbsup:
 
Pichou said:
You also have to curl your fingers and point your thumbs forward. :wink:

You mean like this ... ??

ElaineBeniseDancingSeinfeld.gif


Now you're scaring me :shocked2: !
 
Flint62Smoothie said:
Pichou said:
You also have to curl your fingers and point your thumbs forward. :wink:

You mean like this ... ??

ElaineBeniseDancingSeinfeld.gif


Now you're scaring me :shocked2: !

This is a very effective stalking style, particularly in the early season before deer have become wary. I've seen them stop and stare with their mouths hanging open in complete shock! A quick shot before they can recover their wits and you've filled your limit and gotten some serious aerobic exercise as well. Wearing a dress takes getting used to though--well for most of us anyway. :rotf:
 
Ixtlan is only the book, no movie. From what I recall, if I saw THAT video, I would sit down and tuck my left leg under. :rotf:
 

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