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Scaled down Hawken type rifles?

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Skychief

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Anybody here have any slimmed down Hawkens?

Think 13/16th's (maybe 7/8th's) barrels, excess wood shaved away, 45 caliber or smaller.

I would love to hear about any rifles along these lines.

Thanks in advance, Skychief. :bow:


PS- Pictures would be a bonus! :thumbsup:
 
Here you go. The big one is a .54 Bridger Hawken copy I sawed from a stick and fitted with a 32" Douglas barrel. Built it for Ron, who killed a mule deer buck with it but has had shoulder surgery and so can't handle that 9.5 pound rifle and recoil now. So I built him a scaled down .40 and traded him. The .40 has a 31" 7/8 Rice barrel with Ron Long lock and triggers, a Hawken squirrel patent breech and early buttplate. 13.5" LOP, weighs 7 3/4 pounds. The breech is 15/16" so I filed it to the 7/8" barrel. I had to cut the stock from the stick because of the 7/8" barrel
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I engraved the locks after an original Hawken lock.
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This is a copy of a William Hawken rifle that was for sale on GunBroker. There were enough good photos that I was able to copy it. A 13/16" x 36" Green River barrel, Golcher lock, single Leman trigger. Length of pull 12.75", 51" long. I cut the stock from local walnut. This is a very close copy of the original.
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Hey Herb those air some sweet lookin sticks thar man. Youre building rifles the exact same way I would (if I were capable of that) :thumbsup:

Nice work.
 
What you are desiring is the T.c. Chorokee. They were basicly a scaled down hawkin style.I had one for my boys and regret selling it. They were an ideal youth gun.
 
Just for a weight reference, I have a T/C Hawken with a GM 32" x 15/16" x .40cal drop-in barrel...extremely accurate but definitely heavy / nose heavy...and I'm a pretty good sized lad...IMO, a 13/16" would be great, particularly if much still hunting / carrying was involved.
 
ohio ramrod said:
What you are desiring is the T.c. Chorokee. They were basicly a scaled down hawkin style.I had one for my boys and regret selling it. They were an ideal youth gun.

The T/C Seneca is simular, but has a patch box, and a 4" longer barrel . . . either could work. . . available in 45,36,32
 
Hey those rifles look terrible. If you'd like to send me the one you got back I'll hide it so you won't be embarrassed anymore. :)
Seriously, those are some fine looking rifles there.
 
Hey Herb, Pretty!!!!! Hawkens are my favorite that gun looks wonderful I have been trying to finnish my latest a 58 cal. I may do a 45 like tour scale down next would be a great ladies rifle too. Shifty :grin:
 
PARTS LIST FOR .40 CAPLOCK BRIDGER HAWKEN

Lock, Jim Bridger Hawken percussion, R.E.Davis $82.50
Stock, maple halfstock blank, grade 4 sugar maple, TOWolf, 45.00
Barrel, Rice, 7/8 x 31" .40 cal, 1-48 twist, round bottom grooves 135.00
Breech, Hawken squirrel patent breech, 15/16" octagon, 5/8 x 18 thread (filed to 7/8") 31.00
Rib, 24" lipped drawn steel octagon, Muzzleloader Builders Supply, 15.00
Butt Plate, Jim Bridger Classic Early Hawken, wax cast steel, BP-HAWK-JB-I, 20.00
Front Sight, wax cast steel, FS-G-355-I, 6.50
Rear sight, semi-buckhorn wax cast steel, RS-PA-16, 6.50
Nipple, Hot Shot by Thompson Center, 4.00
Underlug for barrel staple, handmade from nail 1.00
Wedge key, slotted wax cast steel, Key-36-I, 4.00
Inlay, slotted oval, iron, two IN-SLOT-2-I, 3.50
Toeplate, Early Hawken iron, TP-HAWK-3-I, 5.50
Forend cap, poured pewter, 10.00
Rod entry pipe, round with skirt, iron, 3/8", RP-TC-RE-6-I, 5.50
Rod pipes, 3/8" steel, forward, two hand made, 10.00
Sideplate, Hawken wax cast steel, SP-HP-1-I, 3.00
Trigger, Ron Long Hawken double set, TR-PA-20, 55.00
Triggerguard, Late Hawken Half-Stock, wax cast steel, TG-HAWK-H-I, 18.00
Ramrod, 3/8" hickory, handmade, two, 10.00
lRod tips, brass, 8 x 32, two 2.50
Rod tips, 3/8" brass jag and 3/8" breech face scraper, 4.00
Rod tip with steel ball puller, and cap, brass, 5.00
Stain, Fiebings dark brown oil leather dye and Muzzleloader Builders Supply Color Rich, 5.00
Finish, Formby's high gloss tung oil, 2.00
Metal Finish, Laurel Mountain Forge Barrel Brown Degreaser, 2.00
Bolts, 8x32 tang and lock, plus ten screws 4.00
Shipping, three sources, 38.00

TOTAL PARTS COST 533.50

Made by Herbert G. Troester, Vernal, Utah, January, 2008, SN 34.

This is the info I furnish with all my custom built rifles. I had friend Neill Fields bandsaw the stock from the blank and route it for the 7/8" barrel and drill the ram rod hole. I expect you could have Pecatonica River do this work for you on one of their Hawken inlet stocks (that is, inlet for a 7/8" barrel rather than the normal 15/16" or 1" barrel channels, but do not inlet the tang).

And with each rifle I build I furnish a "GUNSMITH'S CERTIFICATE", as follows: .40 CAPLOCK BRIDGER HAWKEN

This is a shorter, lighter rifle based on a Jim Bridger Hawken. All the hardware is the same except the Rice barrel is a 7/8" .40 caliber 31 inches long, fitted with a Hawken squirrel patent breech. The grade 4 maple stock is a little smaller in the forend, but the buttstock is of the same dimensions as a .54 Bridger Hawken I built for Ron XXXXX in April, 2000.

Ron wanted a lighter, smaller caliber Hawken for casual target shooting and we arranged a trade. This smaller rifle has the correct Hawken parts, a Bridger lock, early buttplate, late triggerguard, toe plate and side plate and Ron Long double set triggers. I browned the metal with 10 coasts of rust and sealed it with hot beeswax. The stock is finished with dark brown dye and ten coats of Formby's high gloss tung oil.

I engraved the lock after the pattern of an original J&S Hawken lock, and so stamped it. The engraving was done on the browned plate and hammer after browning and so stands out white, as Ron wanted it on the .54 Hawken.

The parts cost $533.50 and it took me about 120 hours to build this rifle.

I stamped the bottom flat of the barrel at the breech "Built by Herbert G. Troester for Ron XXXXX, Vernal, Utah, January 2008 SN 34.
 
Skychief, I'm handsomer than I am smart, I think...? What?
 
Herb said:
Skychief, I'm handsomer than I am smart, I think...? What?


:haha:

I remembered a Hawken as we are describing in this thread that I had seen months ago. It was built by a man that built a southern flintlock that I have , as well as several rifles and fowlers owned by friends and acquaintances.

I checked with him, and he still had it available. After a visit with him, I bought the rifle. So, my next build might be a stablemate for it using a 32 caliber Douglas that I have... :hmm:

The rifle I bought wears a 30", 7/8ths, 45 caliber Green Mountain barrel. It is mated to a hooked patent breech that the builder filed down to 7/8ths. The stock is premium curly hard maple carved by him. Griffith percussion lock I believe is what I was told (ever hear of this make?). Buckhorn rear and blade front sights. Double set triggers. Tin poured nosecap, dual wedges and iron furniture round out the rifle.

It is what I was after as it is slim and trim and will make a great stalking rifle. I managed to get 3 shots through it after cleaning it before the sun went down. The results were two holes touching and the third was thrown about an inch high. As dark as it was getting, I am anxious to work up some loads for it. These first shots were fired at 25 yards off an unstable lawn chair :haha: .

I may try to get around to figuring out photo posting here as I would like you to see the rifle.

Thanks again Herb and I may very well use your list to build that 32 caliber!

Skychief :hatsoff:
 
I signed up for Photobucket the other night because I needed to post some pics in a thread about giving my GPR a makeover. It was a simple, straightforward process. Now get to it, I wanna see some pics of that new rifle!
 
Just what you were after! I have heard of Griffith locks, maybe Track used to sell them, but I don't know anything about them.
 
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