I was toying with the idea to see how it would work for very short range varmints at distances up to 25yards! Has anybody fooled with this method? Do you patch them? Card them? Loose wad them? or ram them home flat side down on the powder? Round side down or up? Just seeking an answer to a curiosity question, and not looking for judgmental thoughts on ethics and killing issues. Have you tested them in water jugs to see if they are tumbling at the point of entrance? or grouped them for true accuracy/paterning compared to a PRB?