Sneering at the Grey Hawk??

[slabsides]

The other day I read someone's post in which he 'apologized' for owning a T/C Grey Hawk. Why, I wondered? The Grey Hawk is a minor item, which has been discontinued for quite a while. Not many of us own them. But they ARE good, well-made, true sidelock percussion style guns: not those low-down Innnlines. It happens that I got into BP late, and the GH was available and affordable. When I shot it, I was gratified. I'd heard that BP guns didn't have the accuracy of the centerfires I'd shot for 50 years longer. The GH came through. Sure, it's got a synthetic stock, and the metal is stainless steel. If Davy C came back wearing a polyester capote, would you sneer at him? C'mon, gang ...don't make me feel guilty for lovin' my GH! :nono:

 

[Swampman]

I kinda like them, but then I like most anything that goes bang.

 

[Little Wattsy]

I kinda like them, but then I like most anything that goes bang.

Me too! :thumbsup:

I got one sitting right between my CVA Mt Rifle and My T/C Hawken.

To address the statement straight on:
Hunting, fishing, shooting, etc are incredible because they are (with in the legalities) PERSONAL sports. You compete only with your self and your quary whether that "quary" be a steelhead, a deer, or a pice of paper.
If you are happy doing what you are doing then TAHT is enough. Purists, elitiests, and busy bodies should just be happy with what THEY are doing and be glad that their fellow man ia able to do the same. :thumbsup:

 

[tg]

"If you are happy doing what you are doing then TAHT is enough. Purists, elitiests, and busy bodies should just be happy with what THEY are doing and be glad that their fellow man ia able to do the same."

This is true, everyone in the world of ML shooting and hunting have their own level of participation, this post though starts with the owner of a type of gun apologizing for having the gun which should not be something one needs to do. 99.99% of what some consider negative remarks I have seen aimed at a type of gun or gear is a result of someone trying to make unjustified claims as to authenticity when compared to original stuff, when this happens they are often corrected and the sh%7t starts to fly, BTW Wattsy make sure you check your spelling and sentence structure there is a member of the forum who is real particular about this type of thing :grin:

 

[shootemup]

This is true, everyone in the world of ML shooting and hunting have their own level of participation, this post though starts with the owner of a type of gun apologizing for having the gun which should not be something one needs to do. 99.99% of what some consider negative remarks I have seen aimed at a type of gun or gear is a result of someone trying to make unjustified claims as to authenticity when compared to original stuff, when this happens they are often corrected and the sh%7t starts to fly...

Well said as always, tg, and I agree completely.

Hi slabsides (you sound like a fisherman), first of all, welcome to the forum. I owned one of these guns briefly, and I agree with you - they are a good quality hunting firearm. I personally prefer the New Englander because I like the feel of the stock better, but they're the same gun.

If you're happy with the Grey Hawk, please don't let any of us make you feel uncomfortable for owning one. It is, after all, an excellent quality hunting gun.

I think where a lot of us separate is in comparing apples to oranges. tg is right - guys often try to make the case that their T/C is an authentic reproduction, and it just ain't. I realize that isn't the case you were making, I'm just trying to make it clear where the other guys are coming from.

I am totally in love with my custom Hawken, but my purpose in owning it is not the same as my .54 Renegade with the 1:66 roundball barrel (I'm totally in love with that rifle too).

I'm sort of a 'tweener - seems like there's lotsa guys that love their customs, and lotsa other guys that love their production guns. Me? I love both. I think it is simply a matter of understanding what each piece is, appreciating it for what it is, and not confusing one for the other.

I hope you enjoy the fool out of your Grey Hawk and hope you will post about your experiences with it. The same goes for any other muzzleloaders you will (undoubtedly :grin obtain along the way.

:hatsoff:
Spot

 

[Swampman]

Will Grey Hawk parts fit a New Englander stock?

 

[oldwolf]

I don't care what a purist might think. I like SS black powder guns and I think this Silver Elite is beautiful. The Grey Hawk is fine on my book.

 

[MSW]

oops... let me readjust my soapbox...

you need not feel guilty in the slightest for enjoying you rifle.

if you want guilt, feel bad for those who have something special and fail to appreciate it, or who bluff and bluster and tell everyone how to behave (i.e just as they do, without tolerance for even the slightest variance)

i have owned several guns that aren't 'PC,' and i never said that they were anything they weren't, and i've never claimed to be anyone other that who i am. i was once told that i ought not to be allowed on the range if i was going to shoot 'that piece of ^&*(, ' and i asked by what authority this fellow wanted to eject me from a public range and the guy backed down and walked away muttering about 'kids these days...' (my hair had not yet fallen out, but was, at that point gray and beating a retreat). The RSO later apologised, but i told him that he (the Safety Office) hadn't done anything wrong and that no apology was neccessary.

bottom line: Noone can make you feel bad about yourself without your permission.

 

I don't care what a purist might think. I like SS black powder guns and I think this Silver Elite is beautiful. The Grey Hawk is fine on my book.

I agree with you and nobody cares what you do or shoot.

Just don't expect stainless steel to be accepted on in TRADITIONAL circles or on a TRADITIONAL forum. That's all anyone needs to keep in mind. IMHO

 

[Little Wattsy]

"If you are happy doing what you are doing then TAHT is enough. Purists, elitiests, and busy bodies should just be happy with what THEY are doing and be glad that their fellow man ia able to do the same."

This is true, everyone in the world of ML shooting and hunting have their own level of participation, this post though starts with the owner of a type of gun apologizing for having the gun which should not be something one needs to do. 99.99% of what some consider negative remarks I have seen aimed at a type of gun or gear is a result of someone trying to make unjustified claims as to authenticity when compared to original stuff, when this happens they are often corrected and the sh%7t starts to fly, BTW Wattsy make sure you check your spelling and sentence structure there is a member of the forum who is real particular about this type of thing :grin:

Man I have sid before; I went to school in an Oregon Pubelick skool...Learning to spell? HAH! and Typing well that didnt EVEN happen.. :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

 

[Grey Hawk]

If it loads from the front, uses a conical or PRB, BP or Sub, Flint or Percussion.....IT'S A Muzzle Loader.
Having said that....Hmmm I wonder how I came up with my handle :hatsoff:
Mine was my first, I even got a Camo stock...now it really shoots better.
Having said that a few in the rack are:
Lyman GPR / .50 & .54 Percussion
Lyman GPR / .50 & .54 Flint
Lyman Trade / .50 & .54 Bbl on it's way
Lyman Pistols / 2 - .50's LOOKING FOR A .54
TC Hawkin / .50 & .54
TC White MT Carbine / .50

I love em all and love that smell of BP

GREY HAWK

 

slabsides,

Shoot that baby and have a good time. If she has any issues ask someone here they can probably help. Though i can't see a T.C. having many issues.

Jay

 

[tg]

"Man I have sid before; I went to school in an Oregon Pubelick skool...Learning to spell? HAH! and Typing well that didnt EVEN happen.. "

I know what ya mean, I never did well in school cause my teacher said I didn't pay attention.....well we was to poor to pay attention!

 

If it loads from the front, uses a conical or PRB, BP or Sub, Flint or Percussion.....IT'S A Muzzle Loader.

In a broad sense, yes, but you've obviously missed the TRADITIONAL point. Some would put your stainless guns in the same "non-traditional" group as this "muzzleloader". It meets all your criteria.

 

[Russ T Frizzen]

THE MUZZLELOADING FORUM
"Keeping Tradition Alive"

Now where did I read that? Oh well, guess it doesn't matter, does it? If stainless steel, synthetic stocks and polyester capotes are legit topics then I think we need to accept that the definition of tradition is so broad that anything goes. Uzis and M-16s anyone...?

 

[Grey Hawk]

You know what I meant, If we are talking about how to dress the part...then by all means, SS or in-lines and the like are not even close. HOWEVER, my experience was to get into Muzzle Loading (key words) GET IN TO. Now in my case, the price was right and I had no opinion as to re-inactments or the like. I live in the traditionally rainy Pacific NW. Not wanting to screw it up by not cleaning it right or doing anything else wrong. I went with the Grey Hawk. Now that I know just how easy and fuctional they really are. I'm all for the BP Muzzleloader.
IMHO an in-line with a scope defeats the purpose of primitive. I didn't mean to get testie, but if it were a 209 cap or pellets we were talking about, that doesn't belong here and other than being SS and synthetic stock, A Grey hawk is a ML.

Some believe a Lyman GPR or a TC Hawken are not in the spirit of ML as well. IMO not my problem and OBTW a Flinter makes the perfect Bug out Gun...new topic huh.

Take care :hatsoff: and thanks for all your in put

Grey Hawk

 

[Swampman]

Stainless is just as traditional as the various alloys used in all modern "traditional" muzzleloaders.

If I had a Grey Hawk, I'd try to find a walnut stock for it. That looks very attractive.

 

You know what I meant, If we are talking about how to dress the part...then by all means, SS or in-lines and the like are not even close.

No, I'm not a mind reader. I take people at their word, and in this case it's the written word.

So stainless and in-lines are okay to talk about here, because you're not "dressing the part"?

 

Stainless is just as traditional as the various alloys used in all modern "traditional" muzzleloaders.

You embarrass yourself, Sir. :shake:

 

[Swampman]

Wrought iron would be the correct traditional barrel material.