Spanish flintlock miltary firearms

[benvenuto]

Does anyone have any info in models and dates etc?

All I have so far (mainly the Rifle Shoppe catalogue):

-Catalan Musket (pre-regulation?)
-Catalan Escopeta (non-regulation?)
-Light Military Escopeta (non-regulation?)

-model 1700 musket (miquelet lock)
-model 1718 musket ("french" lock, unbriddled)
-model 1722 musket ("french" lock, briddled
-model 1752 carbine (wooden rammer, steel mounts)
-model 1752 musket (wooden rammer, steel mounts)
-model 1755 musket (steel rammer, steel mounts)
-model 1757 musket (steel rammer, brass mounts)
-model 1772 light infantry musket (miquelet lock again, same as light escopeta?)
-model 1789 musket (miquelet lock again)
-model 1789 carbine (miquelet lock again)
-model 1803 musket (hybrid lock with internal mainspring and horizontal sear)

Secondly, is anyone making replicas? The only stuff I have been able to find is that the 1757 has been made by different Spanish companies in the past(AMR, Ardesa, Teixido) and Aral currently.

Plus I found this guy in Argentina Emilo Diaz Pasos

Thanks

 

[redwing]

There was a link off the movie Alamo web page. The firm that made the Escopetas for the movie is an American firm. They have a very nice web. page it goes thru the process of buiding an Escopeta and they sell custom guns of this type.

Rewing :thumbsup:

 

[tmdreb]

Hopefully the Indians will start working on Spanish subjects one of these days. They're really cranking out the British and French subjects, so hopefully Spanish stuff is on the way somewhere.

If you've got plenty of time and money, you could always go to The Rifle Shoppe.

 

[benvenuto]

Maybe the Indians are on the job, if the prices on Emilio Diaz Pasos website are anything to go on...
I guess I better hunt down some Argentine reenactors and ask them what the quality is like...

 

[benvenuto]

More info from the Spanish army Museum website...
The list now reads:

-model 1685 grenadier musket (miquelet lock)
-model 1700 musket (miquelet lock)
-model 1718 musket ("french" lock, unbriddled)
-model 1722 musket ("french" lock, briddled
-model 1752 carbine (wooden rammer, steel mounts)
-model 1752 musket (wooden rammer, steel mounts)
-model 1755 musket (steel rammer, steel mounts)
-model 1757 musket (steel rammer, brass mounts)
-model 1772 light infantry musket (miquelet lock again, same as light escopeta?)
-model 1789 musket (miquelet lock again)
-model 1789 carbine (miquelet lock again)
-model 1803 musket (hybrid lock with internal mainspring and horizontal sear

-Catalan Musket (pre-regulation?)
-Catalan Escopeta (non-regulation?)
-Light Military Escopeta (non-regulation?)

 

[Story]

Did you ever get any information, including prices, from the Armas Aral site?

 

[tmdreb]

I'm interested in that Argentinian site. Is that stuff for real? I'm a little nervous about sites that show only illustrations, and not photographs.

 

[Wes/Tex]

To my knowledge the only Spanish arms were the formerly made guns you mentioned which were M.1752 muskets which Track has had a couple on their site in years past. Narragansett Armes used to advertise a Migulet escopeta but the current owner is very unreliable and doubt he would take one on anyway. I believe the parts were from the Rifle Shoppe anyway. Have no knowledge about the Argentine source you mentioned, so can't comment about his work. Sorry. Good luck.

 

[benvenuto]

Nope, never did hear from the people I emailed.

And my trek across northern spain ended up taking me about 5 days walk south of their factory, not right past it like I originally planned.

Seems like the law has clamped down in Spain, even on ML and antique ownership. you used to be able to buy stuff at fairs and even street markets 10 years back, but now its only auctions, and you need a permit to buy (I gather that has more to do with keeping the historic weapons from being exported willy-nilly)

 

[benvenuto]

yes, i am too!
even with pictures, I figure if someone can't take a sharp clear well-lit photo that they may not be able to properly finish a gun

 

[benvenuto]

I bought a book at Montjuic Castle (Barcelona) with an exhaustive listing of the models and their characteristics, much better than what I wrote above. As soon as my books and excess baggage arrive I'll let you fellers know.

Sad to say, I am pretty sure theres only one person making muzzleloaders in spain today, and they are all pistols
(I'm not counting the places that make cheap percussed blinderbusses for fiestas)

 

[benvenuto]

Hooray, my book arrived! :grin:

Armamentos de Munición en las Fuerzas Armadas Españolas- Production de Antecarga 1700-1873 by Juan L Calvó, Barcelona 2004
(Munition Arms of the Spanish Armed Forces- Muzzleloading production 1700-1873) no photos, but it was only 12 euros.
Translations for the members as time permits :thumbsup:

 

[wulf]

This may not be any help at all. I have made several Miqulet guns. I was fascinated by them and
made them without knowing what the insides looked
like.Later I discovered that secret and made them
correct inside and out...I just received a rejection from Muzzleloader Mag on an artical I wrote on the building of said pystol. Too many pics and not enough words..I can understand that.
would you be interested in my sending you a picture of my project? Is all that your actual address that is in your "my home"? I am in no way
any kind of authority on Spanish Guns. I just liked making Miquelet's...Not any more cause I've
already done it;;;;;;;kinda. Let me know..

 

[Wehrmacht]

benvenuto, wulf,

I have a close friend who is an authority on Spanish weapons of the 16th,17th and 18th centuries. He is the director of the state of Florida's archaeological preservation/restoration laboratory, and has probably handled,measured,restored,contemporarily built more Spanish firearms from that period than anyone else period. I'll be glad to "IM" you with his email address if you want to contact him for info.

He's not going to tell you he's an authority...he's the most humble fellow you'll ever talk with, but he knows his stuff. He handles this stuff daily coming up off shipwrecks and other sites here in Florida.

 

[WRussell]

If anyone contacts der Forster's friend, please share info here!

I have a soft spot for those Miquelets. I have one military type that needs work and one Madrid Lock type (my current avatar). The history of Spanish arms making is a rich field.

 

[wulf]

In responce to benvenuto...I wasn't asking for
more information on Spanish guns..I only asked if
he would like a pic of a gun I made...

 

[benvenuto]

sure thing, yes that is my email adress, just get rid of "REVOVETHIS" and it will work :hatsoff:

 

[benvenuto]

that would be great, thanks!
I think I need to buy a few more books... some of these technical terms are beyond my grasp on spanish... oh well thats the wway an obcession develops I guess

 

[vetarms]

I too am looking for some additional info on early Spanish muskets. If you have any pics, info, specs, etc you would be willing to share, I would welcome it. Thanks.
Charles

 

[Va.Manuf.06]

Find the book "Spanish Military Weapons in Colonial America, 1700-1821" (1972) by Sidney B. Brinckerhoff, Pierce A. Chamberlain. Excellent information, including photographs, of all Spanish arms and much equipment of the American colonial period, especially military arms.