- Joined
- Jan 3, 2013
- Messages
- 20,091
- Reaction score
- 1,026
Of course....They are prone to static explosion... :wink:
Static Electric
- Thread starter Feltwad
- Start date
Help Support Muzzleloading Forum:
Of course....They are prone to static explosion... :wink:
With all the different kinds of plastic today, I am sure they have a safe type for the BP. Liability would be a killer if they packed BP in a container that would spark and set off the powder. Plastic used to be just plastic, now it is all kinds of stuff.
Tom Compton
54 Cal.
- Joined
- Oct 21, 2008
- Messages
- 1,893
- Reaction score
- 193
Static electricity sets off BP? Really??? Read this.
http://www.ctmuzzleloaders.com/ctml_experiments/sparks/sparks.html
http://www.ctmuzzleloaders.com/ctml_experiments/sparks/sparks.html
Last edited by a moderator:
meanmike8665
45 Cal.
- Joined
- Mar 2, 2012
- Messages
- 542
- Reaction score
- 8
Thanks for posting, very interesting.
Michael
Michael
- Joined
- Jan 3, 2013
- Messages
- 20,091
- Reaction score
- 1,026
Just for a point of relevance.....Has anyone ever heard of an electric muzzleloader?....
- Joined
- Jan 3, 2013
- Messages
- 20,091
- Reaction score
- 1,026
40 Flint said:
Last edited by a moderator:
Black Hand
Cannon
- Joined
- Mar 17, 2005
- Messages
- 9,348
- Reaction score
- 897
If the sparks can burn through paper, it suggests the potential for ignition is there. And yet....no ignition.
Such a thing exists but we can't talk about them here on the MLF.colorado clyde said:
If your really interested, do a web search.
Yes Clyde,, but people do need simplicity.colorado clyde said:
This conversation about BP in plastic bottles is happening as folks come in from mowing their lawn,, they have just finished fueling their lawn mower before putting it away.
Right?
That gas can they used is plastic (red colored plastic) and they have been using it for decades.
So can static set BP off? Of course, if any experiment is set up properly you can prove just about anything,, but do people carry power around in a container with two(2) distinct metal points of contact with an exactly 0.015 between them and a specific charge delivered at the exact time of proper "air/powder dust" mix volume,, in a powder bottle?
My God man,, get real,, b
Be careful when at any gas station,, be sure to pay attention to the warnings at the pump. And as paranoid as folks get here I wonder why they don't use only tin gas cans with a ground strap each time the touch it.
- Joined
- Jan 3, 2013
- Messages
- 20,091
- Reaction score
- 1,026
Well, let's see... :hmm:
You can get struck by lightning on a sky blue day....
And then there's stray voltage....A friend of mine touched a house and got zapped....The overhead power had rubbed through the metal roof and electrified the whole house.
You can get struck by lightning on a sky blue day....
And then there's stray voltage....A friend of mine touched a house and got zapped....The overhead power had rubbed through the metal roof and electrified the whole house.
Mobile station here had a phone booth that if ya walked anywhere too close would zap ya thru yer shoes. Gotta claim form? :rotf:
Stray Voltage, :haha:
Ok, Colorado boy,, tell me about stray voltage, http://www.minnesotastrayvoltageguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/MN_StrayVoltageGuide_HR.pdf
Ok, Colorado boy,, tell me about stray voltage, http://www.minnesotastrayvoltageguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/MN_StrayVoltageGuide_HR.pdf
Last edited by a moderator:
If static electricity normally generated by a human doesn't set off "black powder" I wonder why when I've seen documentaries on Zambelli fireworks, they wear grounding wires?
:hmm:
Perhaps it's simply a case of Why not be as safe as possible?
OR is it one of those things, that graphite coated powder (which is what we usually get) provides low resistance to current passing through it, so it is safer than home made powder? BUT over time can the graphite coated powder in one's horn or in the container, especially the older steel containers, bouncing around, be broken into smaller bits...perhaps very fine? Could fine BP "dust" be the culprit, and perhaps the fine dust is what the grounding wires at the fireworks factories are protecting against?
LD
:hmm:
Perhaps it's simply a case of Why not be as safe as possible?
OR is it one of those things, that graphite coated powder (which is what we usually get) provides low resistance to current passing through it, so it is safer than home made powder? BUT over time can the graphite coated powder in one's horn or in the container, especially the older steel containers, bouncing around, be broken into smaller bits...perhaps very fine? Could fine BP "dust" be the culprit, and perhaps the fine dust is what the grounding wires at the fireworks factories are protecting against?
LD
Billnpatti
Cannon
- Joined
- Aug 11, 2008
- Messages
- 7,340
- Reaction score
- 44
Feltwad said:
Based upon this experiment, I'd say that something else was afoot.
http://www.ctmuzzleloaders.com/ctml_experiments/sparks/sparks.html
Last edited by a moderator:
- Joined
- Jan 3, 2013
- Messages
- 20,091
- Reaction score
- 1,026
It's electricity folks....
The path the current takes makes all the difference....conductivity , resistance etc...
Black powder has been around for almost a 1000 years, and we have harnessed electricity for nearly 200 years... we all use electricity every day....Yet!, we are all largely clueless as to understanding their nature....
One variable no one has mentioned is the individual person...We all run on electricity....we all generate, conduct and resist electricity differently ....
The claims made in this test ignore the fundamental principles of electricity.. and the test has many flaws.
The path the current takes makes all the difference....conductivity , resistance etc...
Black powder has been around for almost a 1000 years, and we have harnessed electricity for nearly 200 years... we all use electricity every day....Yet!, we are all largely clueless as to understanding their nature....
One variable no one has mentioned is the individual person...We all run on electricity....we all generate, conduct and resist electricity differently ....
The claims made in this test ignore the fundamental principles of electricity.. and the test has many flaws.
Billnpatti
Cannon
- Joined
- Aug 11, 2008
- Messages
- 7,340
- Reaction score
- 44
colorado clyde said:
I suppose despite test results, opinions both positive and negative will persist and, apparently, rule. :idunno: My opinion, and it is just that, the opinion of an old fart, is that static electricity in highly unlikely to ignite black powder. It is well known that there is no science to electricity, it is all a black art....it's devil's magic. There, I've said it and I'm glad. Nanny, nanny boo, boo!!! :haha:
It sounds logical that it can. Not saying it cannot.
We are inclined to look for evidence to confirm what we suspect to be true, confirmational bias. We also tend to inflate a small probability event into being the normal state of things, it is called, The Black Swan Thoery". Specualting that an accident happened due to static electricity when no evidence exist one way or the other is something people tend to do, we all want an answer. Sometimes stuff happens that we can not find a pat answer for. To say it was certainly because of static electricity is fallacy.
We are inclined to look for evidence to confirm what we suspect to be true, confirmational bias. We also tend to inflate a small probability event into being the normal state of things, it is called, The Black Swan Thoery". Specualting that an accident happened due to static electricity when no evidence exist one way or the other is something people tend to do, we all want an answer. Sometimes stuff happens that we can not find a pat answer for. To say it was certainly because of static electricity is fallacy.
Similar threads
