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This info is also for Garra and anyone else who may be interested in the 1/3 beeswax, 1/3 linseed oil, 1/3 Turpentine stock finish. Other people describe it as a 1:1:1 ratio mix.

These suggestions may/should save others some problems I ran into or heard about.

Since I messed up the first time I posted it, I want folks to make sure they don't heat the turpentine in the double boiler or microwave. ONLY the beeswax is heated to melt it and then removed from the heat source and the other components mixed in right after it comes from the heat source.

You may have a tendency to mix too much up for use. If you use a teaspoon measure as the measure for each component, you will probably have enough to do an entire long rifle stock. I had customers ask me to make some up for them and filled small plastic containers I got at Ben Franklin that were about the size of a 35mm film cannister. They reported they could do two complete stock and hand guard sets for M1 Garands with that much. I had left over mix, so the wood tools in my antique/old tool collection got a coat of it as well. Works great to lubricate the sliding surfaces of wood planes, BTW.

I got a large block of beeswax from a bee keeper and it was almost black. I broke off chunks and heated in the microwave and in a glass Pyrex style Measuring Cup so the cup wouldn't melt or other bad things happen. I zapped it for about 90 seconds at a time, two or three times or so, until it was all melted. Then I skimmed the dross off to get clean/clear beeswax.

Make sure you have the turpentine and oil ready to put in the melted beeswax as soon as it comes out of the microwave or double boiler. It mixes better that way when the beeswax is liquid and still hot/warm.

Make sure you use REAL turpentine. Do NOT use "Turpenol" or other turpentine substitutes as they don't work as well and some substitutes can ruin the mix. Oh, the turpentine smell goes away in no more than two weeks’ time, unless you have an unbelievably acute sense of smell.

OK, the original formula was with RAW Linseed Oil, but that does take longer to dry out. People have used the original formula BLO, that Stophel mentioned in an above post, but not everyone can make it or have access to it. PLEASE make sure if you use BLO, it does not contain petroleum distillates and that means stay away from the kind usually sold by Home Depot or Lowe’s. Ace Hardware Stores sell “Klean-strip” Boiled Linseed Oil that does not have petroleum distillates in it. (You may also find this brand at other hardware stores.) Looking at the label of the “Klean-strip BLO,” it says it is 95 to 100 percent pure Linseed Oil, so it probably is “Stand Oil” that Stophel also mentioned earlier. That is what I used and it works well, until I got some of the original formula BLO and that does dry a little faster.

OK once well mixed by stirring a lot, this is really sloppy goop when you first mix it. That’s why I suggested waiting a few days to a week to let it firm up a bit. I did try reducing the volume of turpentine on a couple of batches, since all the turpentine does is act as a solvent to mix the beeswax and oil. I found when reducing the volume of turpentine, the wax and oil did not mix as well and the mixture dried out to semi hard a few months sooner. So I suggest sticking with the original 1:1:1 ratio mix.

Like an Oil Finish, use a TINY amount on a small section of the stock and rub the dickens out of it, then go on to other small sections and repeat until the entire stock is covered. I hand buffed it with an old terrycloth towel.

OK, here’s where I admit I wound up “cheating” when I used it. My professional and personal experience with Birchwood Casey’s Tru Oil makes it my number one choice for a stock finish. So I put two THIN coats of Tru Oil on the stock to seal it and rubbed it with the “Scotch Brite” type pads the hardware stores sell as a replacement for steel wool to rub out wood finishes after each coat. THEN I put a coat of this 1:1:1 ratio oil/beeswax/turpentine mix on the stocks and handguards as a “top coat.” There have been no problems with this mix coming off with the Tru Oil under it. That made the stocks look “authentic” while it had the added benefit of the hugely superior Tru Oil underneath.

Having written all of this, I do have to say I no longer use this mix on gun stocks. I went back to only using Tru Oil and after the last coat was rubbed out with the Scotch Brite type pads to knock off the shine, I rub the dickens out of the stock with a terry cloth towel. That gives a soft “glow” to the finish that looks like it has been lovingly applied for many, many, many weeks, months and years. Everyone who looks at this finish loves it.

Gus
 
bpd303 said:
I use Renaissance Wax.

Me, too. It is great stuff. :thumbsup: If it wasn't, the big museums wouldn't be using it to protect their displays. It's a bit pricy, the good stuff always is, but a jar will last a lifetime.
 
I did use copy/paste, but as soon as it's posted the forum changes it! Oh well, so be it.

Artificer, thanks for elaborating on the process. I just made up a small batch, as I've just bought a Model 92 Winchester lever (44-40), made in 1911 and it looks like it hasn't had much attention since then (other than the previous owner soaking the stock in oil)!!! As it has this incredible olde patina, I decided against stripping and re-blueing as it would be a shame - this thing has character - but the stock has a buildup of many layers of grime plus the oil. I've wiped the woodwork down with a cloth and mineral turps and can almost see some colour and texture in it now (it was black before!) so your posting is very timely regarding this old-style finish, as it looks perfect for this job.

My BLO, according to the manufacturer, is basically linseed oil with a very small percentage of additives (non-petroleum), so that should be fine. I decided to use mineral turps in this, rather than pure gum turpentine as the last batch of wax I made using it ended up with a dark crusty deposit forming over time. The mineral turps is only there to act as a solvent/thinning carrier to help the stuff penetrate and will dry out pretty quickly with the heat from rubbing so shouldn't be a problem.

This should be an interesting experiment.
 
Old oil-soaked stocks have been discussed before. Basically, your options are to use heat to help leach the stuff out of there, or chemicals.

I've put old carbine and Garand stocks in the dishwasher before to get the old goo out of them, and to raise the dents. It works, but you always take a risk of warping or cracking the stock when you do it.
 
Thanks Col, I don't intend to treat this stock very harshly when it comes to cleaning it, due to it's age. I reckon it would start splitting if I'm not careful.
I mixed up a small batch of stuff but I weighed the ingredients - 30 gms (bit over an oz) of each. When it set it looked like paste wax. I'll give it a try today, the sun will be out so I'll let things warm up a bit first.
 
You are most welcome for the detailed description, however, the ratio mix is done by volume and not by weight. That is why I spoke to using tea spoon measurements.

Now, doing it by weight won't mess up the finish completely, but you may not have enough oil mixed in with the beeswax.

Gus
 
Yeah, I guessed that could be the case. Doesn't really matter in this particular instance, as the stock had been liberally soaked in Linseed oil by the previous owner so probably won't take up much more! My main aim is to try it and see what sort of final finish it can give.

The way this batch turned out is actually what I was originally trying for when I dabbled in wax blending - a nice, fairly soft wax paste, so all is not lost. :thumbsup:
 
Is the oil gummy on the surface? If it is, it is better to strip some of it off before applying the mix.

I have to say I would be concerned about the wood if the oil soaking you mentioned has turned it dark brown or black in some spots. If that is petroleum oil of some kind in the stock, it will continue to harm the wood under any finish you put over it.

If you need some tips to get the old oil out, please let me know.

Gus
 
No, wasn't gummy. The previous owner (a club member) has a bit of experience with guns, and is pretty fussy about looking after them. I gather this one was basically a "dry" stock when he bought it, so he tried to get a bit of oil (linseed) into the wood. I cleaned off the surface with a rag soaked in mineral turps and let it dry, this brought out a bit of the colour/texture in the wood which looks ok other than the dings, scratches and a few fine cracks. I've applied the mix I made (I warmed up the wood and the mix in the sun before applying it) then rubbed it out, applied more, more rubbing then applied a coat and let it sit overnight. I rubbed it off this morning and it looks pretty good.

This rubbing is hard work (!), then I remembered I had a variable speed Multi-tool (mine is a Fein), which has sanding pad attachments. I found a piece of lambswool, cut it to the size of the sanding pad and used the tool on slow speed to polish it. This generated the warmth that you get with hand rubbing, but without the effort :grin: . I also put a piece of terry-towelling over the lambswool and used that.

Ideally, the wood should be sanded back before applying anything, but I don't really want to change anything any more than I have to, I want to keep it looking old and used. I'm pretty happy with the way it's turned out, and will probably keep applying the mix (and rubbing it out) every now and then.
 
Not quite, as the Multi-tool has a very small base in comparison to a car buffer, so can get into tighter places. No reason a car buffer wouldn't work too, I guess.

I found my elbows (which are as old as me!) didn't take kindly to lots of hard rubbing on the stock, so I figured that with all the tools in my garage there must be something that would work!

The Multi-tool oscillates back and forth at a fast rate of knots (almost vibrates at high speed) but can be slowed down a bit, and because it oscillates rather than rotates there's little chance of the polishing pad getting caught on anything.
 
There are many different things that people use on their stocks. Some are good and some are just weird or way outdated. Over the years, I have found that for cleaning the usual crud and dirt that accumulates on my stocks from normal use, a bit of Murphy's Oil Soap in warm water will remove all of the accumulated crud from my stocks and, since Murphy's is intended for use on wood, it most certainly will do them no harm as long as you don't soak them in the water. Just wet a rag with the soapy water and wipe down your stock. Wipe it dry with a dry cloth and let it air dry until it is completely dry. Then I apply a couple of light coats of Renaissance Wax buffing between each coat. Once you get the first good treatment of Renaissance Wax worked into the wood of your stock, it will not collect crud as fast and will clean more eaasily. A light coat followed by a good buffing after each cleaning will keep your rifle looking like new and give it a gorgeous soft luster. Many of the big museums use Renaissance Wax on their displays to protect them. If it is good enough for museums to use, it ought to be good enough for my rifles....and it has proven to be so. It is also very good for protecting the outside of your barrel and the other metal parts on your rifle, knife, hawk, etc.
 
This has been a very interesting thread and thank you all for your input. I finally decided to go with what Necchi uses, Scott's Liquid Gold Wood Cleaner & Preservative.

I picked some up at Walmart and it's not expensive. It's an aerosol so one can will go a long way.

I tried it on my Lyman GPR and it revived the wood nicely. Living here in California i'm more concerned with the wood drying out then moisture issues.
 
Hmmmm :hmm: Never thought of using Liquid Gold on my gunstocks. I can't imagine why I never thought of it. I have used it on the panneling in one of my rooms and it works just fine. There is no reason why it wouldn't work on a gunstock. I'm going to look under the cabinet and see if we have any of that can of Liquid Gold left. This idea just may change the way I clean my gunstocks. Just goes to prove that if you're willing to keep your mind open to new (to you) ideas, you're never too old to learn new tricks. :thumbsup: :hatsoff:
 
bpd303 said:
I have used Liquid Gold in the past and found that it becomes sticky after a while. I'll stick (sic) with Renaissance Wax.

I'll keep on eye on mine but it has been over a week and i do not see any issues.
 
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