Stock design

[bezoar]

http://www.tudorgroup.co.uk/gallery/pages/details/page11.html

this link should lead to a picture of a rather strange looking caliver. Isnt this type of stock only used for the "pertronel"?

 

[Teleoceras]

Beozar:

http://www.tudorgroup.co.uk/gallery/pages/details/page11.html

this link should lead to a picture of a rather strange looking caliver. Isnt this type of stock only used for the "pertronel"?

You got a good point there, that Matchlock does look like a Petronel. The drop on the butt looks a little too severe to be a Caliver. :RO:

 

[bezoar]

But that barrel length is odd if it really is a petronel. If you looked further in their web galelries, theres a phot of it being shot and in the picture, the butt doesnt even touch his body, while the caption says the butt should be up against the chest fornormal firing...

Is there a good resource anywhere that can illustrate the different types of muzzleloaders from then, or at least the differences in butts?

 

[Wes/Tex]

The "Complete Book Of Firearms" by Sergio Masini & Gian Rodolfo Rotasso, a translated version of the original Italian publication, shows several almost identical guns and calls them, "sixteenth-century matchlock arquebus (Italy, c.1570)." One is quite plain like the one shown above while the secondis quite heavily decorated with guild coloring, grotesque carving and MOP inletting. There's a third illustrated with an early flintlock and called, "...a flintlock weapon with a Roman-Style lock probablymade in Brescia at about the same time (...from the end of the seventeenth century). The lock plate appears to be converted from a wheel-lock gun, though it's not certain if it was this gun. The Italian authors use the term "arquebus" for anything before flintlocks. Still, there's a lot of neat stuff in Italian museums.

 

[Light Dragoon]

Here's a link to a great Matchlock site. The links on IT are even better, and there's a wealth of information within them: http://www.matchlock.net/

The fellow in the picture does in fact have a Caliver, even though the stock is a tad extreme. It's not an actual Petronel, though from this angle it could be mistaken for one. Such curved stocked Calivers aren't at all bad to shoot, but you do have to hold it to the shoulder. One of mine is built quite similarly to the one shown in the link on Tudor stuff, and being a 20-bore, it's pretty sweet to shoot. I still prefer my fish-butt Bastard Musket, but it's also a much heavier gun.

Cheers,

Gordon

 

[bezoar]

that site does prove he doesnt have a petronel in the picture, but in every other picture with that gun, they do not hold it with the stock to their shoulder OR TO THEIR CHEST. they just hold it out away from the body and fire.

 

[caliver1642]

The picture shows a pretty common style Elizabethan Caliver, as shown in the Lant Roll. And that being said, they are more comfortable to shoot on the pec muscle than in the shoulder. A friend of mine owns one which he uses regularly.

:m2c:

Jim G