Strange firearms incidents in movies/shows

[springfield art]

I watched a part of "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly" on youtube. Tuco has a percussion revolver and a belt of brass cartridges around him. Strange combination.

As to Baldwin, the bottom line is that the responsibility is always with the person who cocks the hammer, points the gun, and pulls the trigger. He should have checked himself.

Yeah, they were all cart. conversion guns. A movie just won't stand still for people to load a percussion gun; too slow! Once in a while the action takes place so far back that they CAN'T use ctg. guns. (Alamo, for instance. )

 

[springfield art]

I'm aware of the scene (at least from the TV show) that you're referring to. I was asked by a customer when I picked up my fowler "how many shots can you fire a minute?", as he picked up his new bolt action, I just smiled and said "maybe one!". The shop owner did come to my defence and pointed out that I'd recently shot buffalo with a muzzleloader, I think the other fella was a bit surprised and couldn't think of another tongue in cheek comment to make after that!

The scene I'm referring to in the revenant is shot not ball, you can hear as he's spitting it into the bore lots of little pellets trickling down the bore.

For all its faults I do like that in several scenes of the movie the Patriot, there is pan priming.

Good eye. I know experienced re-enactors and historian types worked on that movie. Some of the equipage circulated amongst re-enactors as it was sold off after the film.

 

[springfield art]

The Quigley movie did show a baddie reloading with powder flask; blabbing all the while, guess he thought talking would keep the Quig at bay!

 

[gvandersluis]

I know two of the armorer’s who worked on the Quigley movie. In my personal collection I have movie correspondence, a complete live round from Quigleys belt which is a .45.120 not a 45.110 (because it’s longer it looked better in the belt ) several 110 cartridges in different configurations including with black rubber bullets and a complete box of blanks left over from the film. A few fun facts. The bucket was actually about 375 yds away, frankly as a 10 times attendee at the Quigley where there is a steel plate replica of the bucket shape on display you couldn’t even see a bucket at 800yds without a scope let alone hit it. Apparently Selleck was a complete prima Donna on set whilst Alan Rickman was the complete professional. Examples, One of the Shiloh Sharps had to have the barrel replaced in Australia with an anodised aluminium barrel because Selleck complained that it was too heavy for him to carry around which he did continuously. His handlers required the armorers to file the checkering of the colts hammer for the final shootout as it hurt his finger until it was pointed out that it would make it too slippery to cock, and the legend of the metal cutout of a .45 auto put into Sellecks luggage when he left Australia is true. The film company sent 3 Shiloh Sharps to Australia and 2 rubber replicas for use when he had to strike someone. Don’t get me wrong I like Selleck I think he’s a great actor but….. and he supports the Quigley shoot in Montana every year by signing the trophy plaques.

 

[toot]

You're right. Also, at the very end of the film where Quig shoots Richman; the shots come TOO fast for a percussion revolver. They also didn't do a closer movie shot there to see what was goin' on in Quig's hands. Many wish there had been a sequel where he's maybe having adventures with the cute girlfriend in the American West. Would've been a great movie.

was she CRAZY ANNIE?

 

[springfield art]

I know two of the armorer’s who worked on the Quigley movie. In my personal collection I have movie correspondence, a complete live round from Quigleys belt which is a .45.120 not a 45.110 (because it’s longer it looked better in the belt ) several 110 cartridges in different configurations including with black rubber bullets and a complete box of blanks left over from the film. A few fun facts. The bucket was actually about 375 yds away, frankly as a 10 times attendee at the Quigley where there is a steel plate replica of the bucket shape on display you couldn’t even see a bucket at 800yds without a scope let alone hit it. Apparently Selleck was a complete prima Donna on set whilst Alan Rickman was the complete professional. Examples, One of the Shiloh Sharps had to have the barrel replaced in Australia with an anodised aluminium barrel because Selleck complained that it was too heavy for him to carry around which he did continuously. His handlers required the armorers to file the checkering of the colts hammer for the final shootout as it hurt his finger until it was pointed out that it would make it too slippery to cock, and the legend of the metal cutout of a .45 auto put into Sellecks luggage when he left Australia is true. The film company sent 3 Shiloh Sharps to Australia and 2 rubber replicas for use when he had to strike someone. Don’t get me wrong I like Selleck I think he’s a great actor but….. and he supports the Quigley shoot in Montana every year by signing the trophy plaques.

Very interesting! Here's something else; we all know ammo for such a rifle has to be clean and intact for loading; yet Quig rolls around on his back, which would harm or dent or bend the cartridges in his belt. Many Westerns show no real-life common sense care for ammo on which your life depends. Thanks for posting these details, we love digesting this stuff! Just too bad he didn't do a sequel with that cute Crazy Annie! People would have eaten it up. Just seems like the story of the movie didn't come to a conclusion, even though it's fiction.

 

[Eutycus]

Crazy Cora?

 

[Eutycus]

I cringe every time I watch that movie and Quigley hits that log with his rifle to spring the booby trap. Great scene but who treats his rifle like that?

 

[Whitworth]

Somebody explain to why you can't fire percussion Colt as fast as SAA. I know cap jams happen but not all the time.

 

[flntlokr]

In the "Patriot" movie when the militia is charging in on the British in some of the last scenes some of the colonists are armed with TC Hawkens rifles.

Are you sure they were Plains rifles and not Jaegers, which would have been ok? I can't remember well enough.

 

[gvandersluis]

Somebody explain to why you can't fire percussion Colt as fast as SAA. I know cap jams happen but not all the time.

I don’t know about a colt c&b but I have seen Single Action shooters shoot Ruger Old Army’s faster than most can shoot a Peacemaker.

Very interesting! Here's something else; we all know ammo for such a rifle has to be clean and intact for loading; yet Quig rolls around on his back, which would harm or dent or bend the cartridges in his belt. Many Westerns show no real-life common sense care for ammo on which your life depends. Thanks for posting these details, we love digesting this stuff! Just too bad he didn't do a sequel with that cute Crazy Annie! People would have eaten it up. Just seems like the story of the movie didn't come to a conclusion, even though it's fiction.

I agree about a sequel, the film didn’t do well at the box office but I think it has become something of a cult classic. Another fun fact, Peter Gronow (Armorer) told me that the reason he had some of the 45.120 cartridges from Quigleys belt was because one of Sellecks minders told him Tom wasn’t happy because the cartridges were losing their shine as brass will do and he wanted them replaced by shiny new ones which Peter did. He kept the old ones one of which I now own.

 

[CaptainKirk]

I don’t know about a colt c&b but I have seen Single Action shooters shoot Ruger Old Army’s faster than most can shoot a Peacemaker.

I agree about a sequel, the film didn’t do well at the box office but I think it has become something of a cult classic. Another fun fact, Peter Gronow (Armorer) told me that the reason he had some of the 45.120 cartridges from Quigleys belt was because one of Sellecks minders told him Tom wasn’t happy because the cartridges were losing their shine as brass will do and he wanted them replaced by shiny new ones which Peter did. He kept the old ones one of which I now own.

Lucky you! How did you manage that?

 

[gvandersluis]

Lucky you! How did you manage that?

We met at a yard sale, just talked, the subject of Sharps rifles came up and he mentioned that he had been an armorer on the Quigley movie and had these cartridges. I ended up buying 3 of them, one I gave as a shooters prize at the 09 Quigley match in Montana and one is held by a match official. The third is on my living room wall framed with a picture of Selleck and Peter and the cover sheet from the Movie CD

 

[CaptainKirk]

What an awesome story! Thanks for sharing that! One of my favorite movies. I think Selleck is the millennial John Wayne...

 

[Muley Gil]

No, the Marine Corps and the Navy are two separate services, both under the Department of the Navy.

 

[Phfinneuss]

Well, I don t mind saying, I was just wanting to see the fun firing going on. So I slowed it to see the fun stuff. Boy oh boy! I couldn t believe what I saw!!! I wonder how they could jack something up so bad?! Did they say fugger it! The viewers won t be able to tell,,.

Yeah, really amazing the stupid stuff. They go through so much effort/money , , to make and allow these mistakes. Phenomenal.

It s r a r e that they show real stuff. No re-loading, virtually never anything other than flawless firing.
In Commanchee Moon? Long Bills Paterson misfires.
She s working the Dragoons rammer lever in Quigley
He says,- 'You got four good rounds there.' Refering to his fully charged Navy in The Homesman.

Not much though. S i g h .

(Oooooooh! Go Alec! I can imagine D. Trump s l i g h t l y grinning, hoping for the chair)

1- Colt patent Improved Pattern, Pocket (1849 Pocket .31, Signature),-

 

[Phfinneuss]

No, the Marine Corps and the Navy are two separate services, both under the Department of the Navy.

'You don t like us Navy folks?' 'I like ya real well. When we need to go fight somewhere , ,.'

 

[Springerpanhead]

Thanks for the suggestion, but that is not what Quigley supposedly did in the movie.

The point in contention is not could Quigley do it, but could a Sharps do it.

 

[toot]

Billy Dixon didn't do to bad either.

did he use a BP, cartridge weapon, or a muzzleloader to kill the INDIAN? just courious?

 

[toot]

'You don t like us Navy folks?' 'I like ya real well. When we need to go fight somewhere , ,.'

yes they dropped us off in VIET NAM, and looking through a port hole said weal be back and pick you up. that was a standing joke. no disrespect intended or meant. we were all in the fray together.