I was cleaning my Lyman GPR .54 flint and the brass piece that the patch jag screws into came unglued and is now lodged inside the barrel. How should I go about getting this out? When I get it out I wanna find a way to put a pin through it so it won't happen again. Should I even try and call Lyman?
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outdoorman
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This can happen from time to time.
You have two options that I know of if you want to take it out yourself.
1. A CO2 ball discharger. I have one of these and recommend them. Cabelas is where I bought mine.
2. A lot of people have good luck shooting grease into the barrel. You will need a grease insert that fits where your nipple/flash hole is. Then you shoot her full until the jag and end come out the barrel.
I don't trust glue jobs on the ends of my ramrods. I take a drill (or drill press if you have access to one) and drill a small hole through the end. I use copper wire of thicker electrical wire to put in the hole. I cut the wire as flush as I can and file it.
So far I have not lost an end doing this.
Outdoorman
You have two options that I know of if you want to take it out yourself.
1. A CO2 ball discharger. I have one of these and recommend them. Cabelas is where I bought mine.
2. A lot of people have good luck shooting grease into the barrel. You will need a grease insert that fits where your nipple/flash hole is. Then you shoot her full until the jag and end come out the barrel.
I don't trust glue jobs on the ends of my ramrods. I take a drill (or drill press if you have access to one) and drill a small hole through the end. I use copper wire of thicker electrical wire to put in the hole. I cut the wire as flush as I can and file it.
So far I have not lost an end doing this.
Outdoorman
Pour a little powder (emphasis on little) in through the nipple hole and blast it out. Shoot it into a sandpile and you should recover the jag. I've pinned all my rod ends as well.
Another thought, I bought an aluminum rod with a T-handle for a range rod and also use it for cleaning. It won't come apart!
J-
Another thought, I bought an aluminum rod with a T-handle for a range rod and also use it for cleaning. It won't come apart!
J-
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I believe he had a flint, sometimes the flash hole is to far forward to get behind the stuck object. If the object, in this case his cleaning jag blocks the flash hole and prevents the CO2 discharger, or greese fitting, powdershooting out methods from working he may be forced to use one of two methods. 1. make a drywall screw type ball puller and "Ram" it into the brass of the jag, screw it in some more and then pull, or 2. In the extreme pull the breech plug and drive it out. I always consider pulling the breech plug a last resort. :hmm:
outdoorman said:
It is a Metric nipple or vent liner, so a standard Zerk fitting will not thread into it properly.
Myself, I would shoot it out with some powder under the nipple or vent. If that don't work them I would braze a Zerk fitting to a metric nipple & pump it out with a grease gun. I suggest you take a range rod & a jag & OILED patch & lube the bore well before ya start.
Buy a SS or Brass Range Rod from Log Cabin, TOW, MBS. It will last you a lifetime & not fail you.
And BYW, if you are using a JAG with brass threaded shaft, trash it immediatly. I have retrieved about a dozen of them from other people rifles. They are soft & they break Easily.... Big PITA to get out sometimes & a unecessary headache. :shake: Get a long jag with a Steel shaft in it. Take the screw out of the jag, put a lil Red Locktite in the hole & screw the screw back in the jag & snug it goo & it will stay there & not break.
Next post on installing a RR tip so it will stay on.
Keith Lisle :shake:
Installing a Ramrod Tip:
I take the rod to a belt sander & sand off the measured end of the rod as I rotate it on the sander til I have it sanded down to where it will barely go all the way into the RR tip. If you don't have a belt sander, take a Exacto knife & cut a ring around the rod at the measured length of the tip, then cut a half V going to that line around the line cutting from the short end. Now you have half a V about ? 3/4 of the way from the end of the rod. Now take a rasp & rasp off the wood up to that V while rotating the rod, do this until the tip will barely slide on. Then take a piece or emery cloth or sand paper & roll it up & put it in the tip & twist the emery cloth in the tip to roughen the insides a bit.
Next I take a countersinking tool & I bevel the inside of the RR tip edges just a tad, where the RR is going to go in..
I take a metal file edge & I make a couple light file marks in a spirial form (like a barber pole stripe) on the sanded wood surface where the tip goes over the ramrod.
Now, if the RR tip has a hole all the way thru it, take a piece of posterboard or a piece of cardboard off the back of something you bought from the store (thin) & lay the RR tip over it (big hole end) and tap it with a plastic mallet lightly to make a indentation. Now cut out the small circle you indented & put the small dot of paper into the end of the RR tip to block the thru hole where the threads start. Mix up some Devcon 2000 epoxy (Walmart) or Acraglas & put some in the hole & some on the sanded ramrod end. Push the ramrod end into the tip & twist it on tight forcing the excess glue out. Wipe off excess & let dry overnight. Stand on end with tip down.
After setting all night, take a auto centerpunch & make a punch about 1/4" from the wood/brass edge in the center of the tip. Drill it with appropriate sized drill for same size hole as a #3 finish nail. (aprox .067 to .070") Drill it thru & then take a countersinking bit & bevel the edges of the holes you just drilled. Insert a #3 finish nail & tap it in snug & clip off excess with a pair of sidecuts or needlenose pliers. File excess on same side til you have about 1/32" of nail sticking out. Put the nail head on your vice & on side sticking up peen it over carefully with a small hammer. File flush turn over & file down nail head flush.
You may break the rod, twist it in two, but you will NOT pull the tip off.
:thumbsup:
Keith Lisle
I take the rod to a belt sander & sand off the measured end of the rod as I rotate it on the sander til I have it sanded down to where it will barely go all the way into the RR tip. If you don't have a belt sander, take a Exacto knife & cut a ring around the rod at the measured length of the tip, then cut a half V going to that line around the line cutting from the short end. Now you have half a V about ? 3/4 of the way from the end of the rod. Now take a rasp & rasp off the wood up to that V while rotating the rod, do this until the tip will barely slide on. Then take a piece or emery cloth or sand paper & roll it up & put it in the tip & twist the emery cloth in the tip to roughen the insides a bit.
Next I take a countersinking tool & I bevel the inside of the RR tip edges just a tad, where the RR is going to go in..
I take a metal file edge & I make a couple light file marks in a spirial form (like a barber pole stripe) on the sanded wood surface where the tip goes over the ramrod.
Now, if the RR tip has a hole all the way thru it, take a piece of posterboard or a piece of cardboard off the back of something you bought from the store (thin) & lay the RR tip over it (big hole end) and tap it with a plastic mallet lightly to make a indentation. Now cut out the small circle you indented & put the small dot of paper into the end of the RR tip to block the thru hole where the threads start. Mix up some Devcon 2000 epoxy (Walmart) or Acraglas & put some in the hole & some on the sanded ramrod end. Push the ramrod end into the tip & twist it on tight forcing the excess glue out. Wipe off excess & let dry overnight. Stand on end with tip down.
After setting all night, take a auto centerpunch & make a punch about 1/4" from the wood/brass edge in the center of the tip. Drill it with appropriate sized drill for same size hole as a #3 finish nail. (aprox .067 to .070") Drill it thru & then take a countersinking bit & bevel the edges of the holes you just drilled. Insert a #3 finish nail & tap it in snug & clip off excess with a pair of sidecuts or needlenose pliers. File excess on same side til you have about 1/32" of nail sticking out. Put the nail head on your vice & on side sticking up peen it over carefully with a small hammer. File flush turn over & file down nail head flush.
You may break the rod, twist it in two, but you will NOT pull the tip off.
:thumbsup:
Keith Lisle
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I recently did this same thing on the range.
Put some super glue on the end of the ram rod. The gel type. Put the ram rod back in the barrel and screw it into the brass tip like it was before. Now after a while don't try to pull the rod out just turn it backwards. This will unscrew the rod from the jag. The rod will then come out. Go ahead and put a pin in the rod tip like birddog said. Now you can put the rod back down the barrel and screw back on the jag by turning it clockwiase. Now pull the jag. It worked for me.
Put some super glue on the end of the ram rod. The gel type. Put the ram rod back in the barrel and screw it into the brass tip like it was before. Now after a while don't try to pull the rod out just turn it backwards. This will unscrew the rod from the jag. The rod will then come out. Go ahead and put a pin in the rod tip like birddog said. Now you can put the rod back down the barrel and screw back on the jag by turning it clockwiase. Now pull the jag. It worked for me.
You might try blowing it out with air. I have done that several times. Take the vent out, pump the compressor up to 150#. Lube the bore good with a oiled patch on a jag. Take a air nozzle with a rubber tip, at least a 1/8 dia. hole in the end (3/16" works better) hold the dip TIGHT to the vent hole (Vent out) and give it a blast.
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Homebru said:
Somewhere near Lebanon Ohio there is a cleaning jag buried deep in the ground where I conducted a scientific study of how much powder constitutes "a little powder".
The definition of "a little powder" turns out to be just about one half of what you think you need. If the ground is muddy, AND it is dark, AND you are showing off your wisdom to someone who actually thought you were smart, then the definition is "approximately 1/4 of what you think you need".
You remember Jed Clampet "shootin' at some food" during the opening credits of The Beverly Hillbillies? That's bunk. He was actually removing a cleaning jag using his version of "a little powder", and he struck deep oil in a shale formation.
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When tipping ramrods I use an epoxy glue. Then drill a 1/16 cross hole and use a brass 1 inch brad as a brass pin. I don't have the package handy but the 1 inch brass brads are actually .064 in diameter which is a press fit in a 1/16 hole. To insert the brass pin I chuck it in a hand drill and then "spin" it into the hole , cut off and peen down the end and sand smooth. :hmm:
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....and make sure it's brass! I bought some "brass" brads at the local everything store, and they were just plated. Made a mess out of the rr end, and had to buy a new one.
I'm sure brads would work but I just buy a piece of 1/16" brass wire at my local Ace hardware store for the tip pin.
It's cheap, it fits the 1/16" hole the standard 1/16" drill makes and it is easy to deform into the countersink at each end of the cross drilled hole that I make with my pocket knife.
A few light blows with a small hammer does it nicely.
It's cheap, it fits the 1/16" hole the standard 1/16" drill makes and it is easy to deform into the countersink at each end of the cross drilled hole that I make with my pocket knife.
A few light blows with a small hammer does it nicely.
It's too late now, but another thing that worked once for me is a .45 caliber bronze bore brush. When the tip pulled off of my GPR ramrod I installed the .45 brush on another ramrod and stuck it down the barrel, carefully lining it up so it went inside the hollow of the lost tip. Shove it straight in with no twisting then just pull the whole thing out. You all know how hard it can be to pull a brush until you twist it to fold the bristles back? Sometimes that's a good thing. :thumbsup:
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