T/C cherokee and senca

[Killitgrillit]

Howdy all
I don't know if this is the correct place to post this but any way I was wondering what the going price know a days is for T/C cherokees and seneca's.
Anybody have any idea's
Thx for any info
Killit

 

[roundball]

Howdy all
I don't know if this is the correct place to post this but any way I was wondering what the going price know a days is for T/C cherokees and seneca's.
Anybody have any idea's
Thx for any info
Killit

Every now and then I've seen them on auction, depending on condition, from $350-$550.

(PS: I guess you know there's no longer a parts source for them)

 

[Killitgrillit]

Roundball,
Thank you Sir.
Yea I know there no longer made and T/C says they don't have any parts since the fire.
I was just curious I might know where one of each is at and just wondering there value.
Thx again for the info
Killit

 

[Zonie]

Not that I believe the values the book gives, the Third Edition Blue Book of Modern Black Powder Values lists both the Seneca and the Cherokee as being less expensive than the TC Hawken.

In my part of the country a good TC Hawken goes for about $250-$275. :shocking:

 

[Russ T Frizzen]

That's a more realistic price range. The ones going for more at the on-line auctions probably represent wishful thinking or ignorance on the part of the vendor. I paid $125 for mine two years ago, and received $40 worth of extras with it.

 

[Bob J]

I've seen a lot more used TC Hawkens and Renegades for sale in gunshops, shows, etc. than Senecas or Cherokees. Did buy a .36 Seneca in like-new condition (except for missing rear sight, found one of those for $5.00) for $250.00.

 

[roundball]

I've seen a lot more used TC Hawkens and Renegades for sale in gunshops, shows, etc. than Senecas or Cherokees. Did buy a .36 Seneca in like-new condition (except for missing rear sight, found one of those for $5.00) for $250.00.

There's an 'as new' .36cal Seneca on Auction Arms now for $367...I'd be afraid to make the investment in one to use it as a shooter due to parts availability, but would buy it as a collector if I was one...it's still in the box

 

[Zonie]

Well I agree with the "wishfull thinking" when it comes to the prices being asked.
That's not to say there aren't people who won't pay it, but as we all know, Muzzleloaders don't really increase in value very much.
That said, the BB of MBPV says the last MSR for a Cherokee was $320 (1994) and the last MSR for the Seneca was $300 (1987).

The book (and I'll admit this isn't the latest edition. It's a 2003 copyright date) says either gun in 100% condition was worth a maximum of $300.

This book also says the TC Hawken in 100% condition is worth $485. :shocking: :shocking: That reminds me, I just happen to have a nice used early serial number .50 cal. TC Hawken I'll let go for $440. :: :: ::

 

[WV_Hillbilly]

Around here, ANY T/C guns have outrageous prices on them--not to say that they all sell for what the owner wants though...

I've seen REALLY nice Senecas go for as low as $150 from a more reasonable dealer... whilst another dealer about 30 miles in the opposite direction wants $275 for a fair looking .56 Smoothbore Renegade and $375 for just an average looking .50 cal. Flintlock Hawken.

Yet the consumer demand for the T/C guns is NOT that high in this area to command AND sell at those higher prices. Makes no sense at all. I even found a hidden treasure once in a dirty looking .50 cal Renegade that the dealer "thought" the barrel was rusted up too badly. Sold it to me for only $75. It was worth that much for parts alone! I used some very strong means of removing rust and oxidation and it turned out to be about a 95% condition gun and the bore shined up like a mirror!!! Doesn't happen often but it's possible. I ended up selling that gun for a really decent profit and bought many nice Christmas presents for the family that year with the proceeds.

The .56 cal. Smoothbore Renegades (if bought cheaply enough) make a great platform for a Green Mountain drop in barrel change. For about $150 or so, you can have a brand new GM barrel replacement. Figure $150 for a gun and that's only $300 for what should make a nice (though somewhat heavy) muzzleloading gun. Hard to find a Hawken, Renegade, or Lyman in superb conidtion for that price...

But I digress too much... Getting back to your original query about the Seneca and the Cherokee rifles. I see the same kind of pricing on auctions $350-500 depending on condition. I wouldn't pay that for one if it was still NIB, AND had the extra barrel in the other caliber (well... I might think about it a lot though) Most traditional styled muzzle loader users/shooter/owners tend to do things for themselves. It's in our nature to find a logical way out of a tough situation, I have no doubt that you will come up with a similar type of rifle without paying those exorbitant prices. AND, you wouldn't worry about NOT having replacment parts for a gun. But... we make do, NOT doo-doo...

I will keep my eyes open for a reasonably priced, small caliber, lightweight rifle for you. They do exist, but "seem to be in hiding" to the average looker. I have a fellow I can call this afternoon to check about it in fact.

Good luck on your search, and if there's anything else you are looking for, let me or someone know.
WV_Hillbilly

 

[Killitgrillit]

thank ya'll for all the replies :thanks:

 

[Curly James]

Hello,

I'm new to this site but was interested when I saw this topic. I recently purchased (as in, the gun is still in the mail recently ) a T/C Cherokee .45 cal rifle for $200.00. The only other comparable gun I saw (and passed up due to budget restraints) was a T/C Seneca with a .45 and a .36 barrel for $300.00. Neither one of these models come up for sale in my area. Either they weren't very popular or those that have them sre keeping them. By the way, my very first muzzleloader was a .45 cal Seneca. I miss that gun alot.

 

[Bob J]

or those that have them sre keeping them. By the way, my very first muzzleloader was a .45 cal Seneca. I miss that gun alot.

Howdy Curly James-
Welcome to the "Forum! I think you nailed it. While they may never have been as popular as their big brother, the T.C. Hawken, people are hanging on to those Cherokee and Seneca MLs. :imo:

 

[CoyoteJoe]

Well, let's face it, T/C would not have discontinued them if they had ever been hot sellers.
Here in Colorado everyone want's an "elk rifle" of .50 cal or better. Even guys who own several rifles have none under .50.
-- Too bad, they're missing out on a lot of fun-- :: :: ::

 

[joliver]

WV_Hillbilly,

I bought a new Lyman GPR in .54 caliber less than a year for $340. The dealer was going to stop carrying them and wanted to get rid of it--I was happy to take it off his hands at that price.