T/C or Greenmountain Percussion Barrel?

[catman]

I have made calls to each and priced them both, they are within $8 bucks shipped of each other.
The barrel I'm looking at is a drop in 1" 50cal in a T/C 1:66 or a Greenmountain 1:72.
(I like roundballs only). :wink:
I'm leaning toward the T/C but I have noticed there's a good following with the Greenmountain's.
Greenmountain's warranty is a year as I understand it and T/C's a lifetime. Greenmountain has deeper grooves and T/C's are shallower.

Just looking for a little insight from others, before I pull the trigger..Thanks

By the way, this barrel's going in my T/C Renegade 54 cal stock.

 

[jtmattison]

I can't speak for T/C's barrels but my GM 1:70 barrel is the most accurate shooter I have ever owned.

HD

 

[R.M.]

If you're a RB shooter, I'd go with the deeper grooves myself.

R.M.

 

[catman]

I can't speak for T/C's barrels but my GM 1:70 barrel is the most accurate shooter I have ever owned.

HD

HD, how are the front & rear sights on the GM barrels, I never could get a good look at them to see how they were?
Thanks

 

[Mountainman56]

I believe the GM barrel is also available in 32" which I prefer over the 26" Renegade barrel length. :2

 

[catman]

I believe the GM barrel is also available in 32" which I prefer over the 26" Renegade barrel length. :2

Yes the one I'm looking at is the 32"

 

[roundball]

I have made calls to each and priced them both, they are within $8 bucks shipped of each other.
The barrel I'm looking at is a drop in 1" 50cal in a T/C 1:66 or a Greenmountain 1:72.
(I like roundballs only). :wink:
I'm leaning toward the T/C but I have noticed there's a good following with the Greenmountain's.
Greenmountain's warranty is a year as I understand it and T/C's a lifetime. Greenmountain has deeper grooves and T/C's are shallower.

Just looking for a little insight from others, before I pull the trigger..Thanks

By the way, this barrel's going in my T/C Renegade 54 cal stock.

I have accumulated three .50cal T/C 1:66" round ball barrels...one caplock and two Flintlock...all three are more accurate than I can shoot them.

TC's standard barrels have shallow grooves to use both conicals and round balls, 28" long;

T/C's round ball barrels have deep grooves for round balls...my round ball barrels are 31" long.

I have some GM barrels but only in those calibers and gauges that TC doesn't make, and they are also very good.

T/C's fit and finish is much better than GMs...grinding / smoothing, etc...and the bluing is thicker/stronger as well...finally, IMO, if there's a tie, T/C's lifetime warranty tips the scales for me every time.

 

[catman]

I have made calls to each and priced them both, they are within $8 bucks shipped of each other.
The barrel I'm looking at is a drop in 1" 50cal in a T/C 1:66 or a Greenmountain 1:72.
(I like roundballs only). :wink:
I'm leaning toward the T/C but I have noticed there's a good following with the Greenmountain's.
Greenmountain's warranty is a year as I understand it and T/C's a lifetime. Greenmountain has deeper grooves and T/C's are shallower.

Just looking for a little insight from others, before I pull the trigger..Thanks

By the way, this barrel's going in my T/C Renegade 54 cal stock.

I have accumulated three .50cal T/C 1:66" round ball barrels...one caplock and two Flintlock...all three are more accurate than I can shoot them.

TC's standard barrels have shallow grooves to use both conicals and round balls, 28" long;

T/C's round ball barrels have deep grooves for round balls...my round ball barrels are 31" long.

I have some GM barrels but only in those calibers and gauges that TC doesn't make, and they are also very good.

T/C's fit and finish is much better than GMs...grinding / smoothing, etc...and the bluing is thicker/stronger as well...finally, IMO, if there's a tie, T/C's lifetime warranty tips the scales for me every time.

What you said in your last sentence is worth a lot, and the T/C lifetime warranty..

 

[nw_hunter]

I think Roundball covered it all!
I too would go with Thompson.
I have a GM drop in 62 smoothbore for my Renegade. I like it, but find the finish is not up to par with T/C. If I could get what I want in T/C for only 8.00 diff., that is the one I would buy. :v

 

[renovato]

The lifetime warranty is valuable for a complete gun where there are many things that can go wrong. For a barrel only, I'm not so sure. A barrel is either good or it isn't. If it's good, it isn't going to "break" a few years down the road like a lock or trigger part can. I think I would take a hard look at whichever barrel fit my needs and warranty wouldn't play a part in the decision making process.

 

[Mad Professor]

If the stock is a large hawken (54 cal, 1 inch across the flats) TC only makes slow twist for it in 54 cal

 

[roundball]

If the stock is a large hawken (54 cal, 1 inch across the flats) TC only makes slow twist for it in 54 cal

Have you heard something to that effect just recently?

Reason I ask is that T/C has made the .54cal in a 1"x28"x1:48", 1"x27"x1:48", and 1"x 30"x1:66" for decades...my 2007 TC / Fox Ridge catalog still shows both...and the 1" .54cal barrels are physically interchangeable between the large size Hawken stock and the Renegade.

 

I have never see a TC barrel that shot as good as or better than a GM barrel....not that TCs are bad they just wont shoot with a GM...period

 

[roundball]

I have never see a TC barrel that shot as good as or better than a GM barrel....not that TCs are bad they just wont shoot with a GM...period

Just to clarify a point for many who might not know, a major problem with the vast majority of people who compare a GM barrel to a TC barrel is that its comparing apples and oranges.

The typical TC that somebody buys has a shallow groove barrel on it so it'll shoot both conicals and PRBs...a compromise barrel if you will. Then the TC owner might buy a GM barrel which happens to be a deeper groove round ball barrel because that's what they make, find that it shoots PRBs more accurately than the shallow groove TC barrel, and draw the conclusion / make the claim that GM barrels are more accurate than TC barrels as an across the board statement...but its apples and oranges.

You can tell just by reading posts on forums year after year...had a couple more right here this week...that practically nobody knew or knows that TC even made deep groove 1:66" round ball barrels.
I have TC round ball barrels in .45/.50/.54cals and GM round ball barrels in .40/.58/.62cals because TC didn't make them in those calibers...no difference in accuracy when comparing apples to apples.

And this is really my only hobby that I spend my pennies in so rest assured if TCs round ball barrels weren't very accurate I wouldn't waste my time with them, and every barrel in the house would be a GM round ball barrel instead.

 

[catman]

I have made calls to each and priced them both, they are within $8 bucks shipped of each other.
The barrel I'm looking at is a drop in 1" 50cal in a T/C 1:66 or a Greenmountain 1:72.
(I like roundballs only). :wink:
I'm leaning toward the T/C but I have noticed there's a good following with the Greenmountain's.
Greenmountain's warranty is a year as I understand it and T/C's a lifetime. Greenmountain has deeper grooves and T/C's are shallower.

Just looking for a little insight from others, before I pull the trigger..Thanks

By the way, this barrel's going in my T/C Renegade 54 cal stock.

I have accumulated three .50cal T/C 1:66" round ball barrels...one caplock and two Flintlock...all three are more accurate than I can shoot them.

TC's standard barrels have shallow grooves to use both conicals and round balls, 28" long;

T/C's round ball barrels have deep grooves for round balls...my round ball barrels are 31" long.

I have some GM barrels but only in those calibers and gauges that TC doesn't make, and they are also very good.

T/C's fit and finish is much better than GMs...grinding / smoothing, etc...and the bluing is thicker/stronger as well...finally, IMO, if there's a tie, T/C's lifetime warranty tips the scales for me every time.

What you said in your last sentence is worth a lot, and the T/C lifetime warranty..

I pulled the trigger late this afternoon and ordered the T/C Drop in 1" 50cal in the 1:66 for my Renegade 54 cal stock. RB they said it would be 2 to 4 weeks. I did ask if the round ball barrels had deeper groves and they said all of the barrels are the same in depth. I talked to a gentleman in the custom shop.

 

[roundball]

Something was miscommunicated and/or misunderstood by one of you...probably the T/C clerk.

I have a ton of TC barrels...I've shot them, cleaned them, looked at them, compared them, etc.

All the standard shallow groove barrels are the same.

All the round ball deep groove barrels are the same.

But the two sets of barrels groove depths are not the same...and its immediately obvious to the naked eye just looking at the muzzles...the TC guy misunderstood what you were referring to or he simply misspoke.

The groove depth of all TC barrels is not the same.

 

[Robert58]

I don't know who you talked to, but go here http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/chart_muzzleloaders.php and look it up yourself. I bought a New 50 cal. 1 in 66 barrel for my TC Hawken two months ago and it has deep Rifleing. And it is a tack driver. My shooting buddy has a GM Barrel in his Renegade and my TC Barrel si just as accurate as his GM. And that's with him shooting both Rifles. And I might add that he is a very good shot.

About the 2 to 4 weeks. That is what she told me too. I received my barrel in 10 days.

Robert

 

[Idaho Ron]

When you compare RB barrel vs RB barrel I am sure they are about the same. But TC does not make a barrel that will hold a candle to a GM when it comes to conicals. The TC’s that do have a fast twist just don’t have a long enough barrel. I have shot the Scout, the White Mountain carbine, both have fast twist barrels. While they were accurate guns they were not in the same league as my GM’s. The 1-48 twist is just not fast enough to get the kind of accuracy I want for conicals. Ron

 

[cowpoke1955]

I have a standard .54 T/C Hawkens with the 28" 1 in 48" twist barrel that is very accurate to 100 yards with 380 grain Lee REAL bullets. I'm not complaining :thumbsup: .

 

[jtmattison]

I can't speak for T/C's barrels but my GM 1:70 barrel is the most accurate shooter I have ever owned.

HD

HD, how are the front & rear sights on the GM barrels, I never could get a good look at them to see how they were?
Thanks

I think mine came with T/C sights on it. Adjustable rear sight with gold bead front sight. I'm 99.9% sure they are T/C sights.

HD