T/C Patriot max load?

[renovato]

Howdy folks,
Some time back I bought a used T/C Patriot pistol in .45. Great little shooter! 25 grains behind a PRB punches nice groups if I do my part. I don't have a manual for it though, and I'm curious about what max load it's set up for. If anyone knows, I'd sure appreciate it. Thanks.

 

[B.Habermehl]

I would say that 45 or 50gr fffg REAL black powder would not be unsafe. However I would bet accuracy will drop off and recoil will be much more noticible. Your 25 gr load sounds rather sensible and should serve well. T-C's patriot pistol is probably the best mass produced ml pistol ever, unfortunately it is no longer in production. BJH

 

[renovato]

I figured as much on the max load, as my .50 Traditions Trapper is listed at 45 grains max. Of course it's a drum ignition instead of the T/C's patent breech. I was just curious more than anything else, as my light load is my preference so far.

I sure wish they kept making the little gun. I notice there were some changes to them through the years. For example, I think I've seen them with a nosecap and mine has none. A cost saving measure I guess. I do have rather fancy wood though. Oh well, the nice wood makes up for it.

 

[jw]

T/C Black Power Muzzleloading manual...MAX load for .45 cal.Patriot pistol ...35 grains FFFG Black Powder ... .440" ball

 

[B.Habermehl]

I stand corrected...I was hopeing that there would be some one whow had, and actually read the owner's manual for one of these guns. I was going by distant memory of the T-C manual that I had with one of their guns from way back in the 70s. Perhaps I was correct and they revised thier manual since. But I would stick with their 35 grain max. Your load is certainly sensible and if you would accidently double charge the gun you would not endanger yourself or bystanders. The Patriot uses the same or verry similar breech castings as the seneca rifle. It had a load of 70 gr max reccomendation if my cloudy memory is correct. In any case T-Cs are verry stoutly built and safe arms.

 

[Blizzard of '93]

45 grs. would be considered a stout an maybe max load, after that powder won't be burnt in the short barrel just blown out to make a flash.
I have a CVA .50 (first BP gun) I made from a kit and just for S&G's I shot mini-slugs in it with 50 grs, sharp recoil but accuracy was still good group but shot high, I had to adjust sights to compensate for.

 

[renovato]

Thanks JW. I added that to my notes. Seems light for the gun, but I don't shoot loads that hot anyway.

 

[renovato]

I have a Seneca in .45 also. I bought it at the same time I bought the pistol. It was an afterthought really. I just bought it because it's the same caliber and was cheap. I'm sure glad I did. It's very accurate and an absolute darling to shoot.

The load data I have for it shows 90 gr. 2F as max for PRB and 80 gr. for conical. It's a sweet shooter at 50-60 gr under a PRB.

 

[jw]

I also have a Seneca in .45 cal.along with a .32 cal. barrel.I haven't shot the .32 in quite a while.Still nice to have.I use 30 grains of FFFG in my Patriot and have found it to be very accurate.But,all guns are different.If you don,t have one,many gun shops that sell TC guns have the Black Power loading manuals free for the asking.Or you could e-mail TC at "[email protected] and request one.

 

[renovato]

T/C is good about sending free manuals. I didn't send for them though, because all I really needed to know what max load, and I had already found it for the Seneca.

I'm looking into getting a .32 barrel for my Seneca too. I absolutely love that rifle. I wasn't excited about it when I bought it but it didn't take long to win my heart. I'd like a smaller caliber for squirrel and I think it'd be the perfect gun for it.

 

[atvguns]

 

[M. De Land]

T/C is good about sending free manuals. I didn't send for them though, because all I really needed to know what max load, and I had already found it for the Seneca.

I'm looking into getting a .32 barrel for my Seneca too. I absolutely love that rifle. I wasn't excited about it when I bought it but it didn't take long to win my heart. I'd like a smaller caliber for squirrel and I think it'd be the perfect gun for the

The .36 cal Patriots are scarce as hens teeth.
I think the early Patriots were the ones without the fore end cap.

 

[Duk]

You are correct on both accounts.
Do you realize this is an old tread?

 

[M. De Land]

You are correct on both accounts.
Do you realize this is an old tread?

No I didn't ! I was thinking about my own Patriot in .45 cal I refinished both metal , wood and put a through bolt in the grip a couple years back and have been on the look out for a .36 cal for a mate ever since.

 

[SDSmlf]

Do you realize this is an old tread?

Not quite 18 years between posts……

 

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[atvguns]

It's all my faulty but surely it's ok to bring an old thread back to life, I posted the Load Charts so it would be easier for people to find when doing a search. I had a hard time finding them but this thread was at the top of the google search for max load for the patriot.

 

[M. De Land]

It's all my faulty but surely it's ok to bring an old thread back to life, I posted the Load Charts so it would be easier for people to find when doing a search. I had a hard time finding them but this thread was at the top of the google search for max load for the patriot.

I'm thankful for the information as I had never even considered a max load for the Patriot in either cal. being that it is strictly a target gun and max loads are not what generally is the most accurate.