I found this rifle at a shop and was wondering if anyone can tell me anything about it. Its new.I know TC has a great warrenty. Its a 50 cal. and would like to use PRB. Deer hunting would be the use. I have a 45 cal. Kentucky but sometimes its a little long for the brush hunting I do. Your thoughts please. Oh it has a plastic stock as I call them.
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TC Black mountain rifle
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Hey I'm going to anwser my own question. 
I did a little research. I found that this rifle has a 1-28 twist. :hmm: So from that I would guess that it would not be a very good PRB rifle. So I think I will count that rifle out. Thanks for looking
I did a little research. I found that this rifle has a 1-28 twist. :hmm: So from that I would guess that it would not be a very good PRB rifle. So I think I will count that rifle out. Thanks for looking Maynerd62411
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The Black Mountain uses the same stock pattern as the New Englander and the GreyHawk. The BM is 1:28 twist and the other 2 are 1:48. The New Englander has wood and blued barrel, the GreyHawk has synthetic stock and Stainless steel barrel.
Not so fast there, Hacker, they're good rifles....ugly as sin but good. I've got two of 'em. The first one came with the nicest conical shooting barrel I've seen. 2 to 2.5" groups at 100 yds w/iron sights and moderate loads and wasn't fussy about the projectile or being wiped out occasionally. The gun comes with a musket nipple and a #11 nipple.
The first one, I bought used for $180; the second one NIB off the net for $200. Haven't fired the new one yet. Sometime back I picked up a shotgun barrel for them and also a .54 cal. New Englander barrel that fits just fine. Hope to put an aperture sight on the new one.
I guess if you're strictly a PRB guy, it's probably not the best choice. But I love to experiment and that fast twist and capability of handling 150 gr. loads and Pyrodex pellets makes the Black Mountain an experimenters dream while being easier to maintain than most inlines. My PRB plinking load using a .490 ball, a .010 Wonder patch and 30 grains of Pyrodex P shoots great too.
Uhhhh....I like mine.
Bob
The first one, I bought used for $180; the second one NIB off the net for $200. Haven't fired the new one yet. Sometime back I picked up a shotgun barrel for them and also a .54 cal. New Englander barrel that fits just fine. Hope to put an aperture sight on the new one.
I guess if you're strictly a PRB guy, it's probably not the best choice. But I love to experiment and that fast twist and capability of handling 150 gr. loads and Pyrodex pellets makes the Black Mountain an experimenters dream while being easier to maintain than most inlines. My PRB plinking load using a .490 ball, a .010 Wonder patch and 30 grains of Pyrodex P shoots great too.
Uhhhh....I like mine.
Bob
Hey Short Start,
You saying the black mountain barrels interchange with the New Englander?
I could be wrong :shocked2: --but--
I thought the Black Moutian barrel was octagon on the rear 1/2. :hmm:
The reason I ask is because I wanted a 28" 1-28 twist barrel from Green Mountian for my New Englander, but they don't list them for the New Englander only for the Hawkins and Black Mountian and the other half stocks with octagon barrels.
Willy
You saying the black mountain barrels interchange with the New Englander?
I could be wrong :shocked2: --but--
I thought the Black Moutian barrel was octagon on the rear 1/2. :hmm:
The reason I ask is because I wanted a 28" 1-28 twist barrel from Green Mountian for my New Englander, but they don't list them for the New Englander only for the Hawkins and Black Mountian and the other half stocks with octagon barrels.
Willy
No, it's not octagon in the rear, Willy, it's round like the New Englander. I tried to buy a second 1-28 barrel through Fox Ridge and got turned down, though they did end up selling me a New Englander barrel.
I think what's going on has to do with the fact that the Black Mountain will take 150 grain/3 pellet loads. With that heavy a load, the back blast through the nipple may be enough to bounce a New Englander hammer back up to half cock or further. To back this up, I noticed the hammer spring is significantly stronger and the trigger a bit heavier on my Black Mountain rifles compared to my Greyhawk. So it appears they don't want to sell that barrel if it might end up on a New Englander/Greyhawk.
To me it's a moot point. I rarely load heavier than 100 Grs. of RS anyway and would probably never use 150 grs.
Bob
I think what's going on has to do with the fact that the Black Mountain will take 150 grain/3 pellet loads. With that heavy a load, the back blast through the nipple may be enough to bounce a New Englander hammer back up to half cock or further. To back this up, I noticed the hammer spring is significantly stronger and the trigger a bit heavier on my Black Mountain rifles compared to my Greyhawk. So it appears they don't want to sell that barrel if it might end up on a New Englander/Greyhawk.
To me it's a moot point. I rarely load heavier than 100 Grs. of RS anyway and would probably never use 150 grs.
Bob
Willy, I missed your point about Green Mountain selling barrels for the Black Mountain Magnum :redface: . I visit the GM site often but didn't know they were doing that. Guess I'll hafta check the small print.
My point about Fox Ridge and the 1-28 T/C barrel still stands.
Bob
My point about Fox Ridge and the 1-28 T/C barrel still stands.
Bob
Nope, standard New Englander barrel, Willy, 1-48. You might want to watch Gunbroker or the Auctionarms sites. .50 Black Mountain Magnums come up fairly often, many times NIB. They go for about $200 new, $180 used. The .54 Westerner version with wood stock goes for more as not many were made.
I recall the New Englander barrels at Fox Ridge going for about $140. Barrels are listed in the Fox Ridge printed catalog. Last time I visited they weren't on the website.
Bob
I recall the New Englander barrels at Fox Ridge going for about $140. Barrels are listed in the Fox Ridge printed catalog. Last time I visited they weren't on the website.
Bob
Hey Davids! I have a TC White MT Carbine. I like the little rifle. It also has the oct to round barrel like the New englander. My question is......will the NE barrel interchange with my Carbine? Mine is a tack driver with Sabots, but I would love a long barrel for it (slow twist ) to shoot the RB's.
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The New Englander has a round barrel, it is not stepped from octagon to round, like the White Mountain Carbine. What caliber is your WMC? Depending on what it is, it could have a 1 in 20" twist, a 1 in 38" twist, or a 1 in 48" twist.
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The Renegade is 1" across the flats. A WMC, in .50, is 15/16" across, so it will not fit the channel of the stock correctly. A Hawken in .50, is 15/16" across, but at 28" may be a bit long, for the WMC stock, although I took one of my .50 WMC's and held it next to my .50 Hawken, and it looks like it may work. I would have to disassemble, and switch barrels to be sure.
I know that this is a traditional-only site BUT I hunt everything with percussion rifles. The Black Mountain Magnum can be made to out-shoot any in-line out there. Sometimes I hunt in areas that 200 yard shots are the norm. When that happens, I use the BMM with 120 grains 777, a 240 gr sabot, and musket cap. The gun has been modified to include a roll-over cheek piece (it is too low for a scope), and a Mueller 3X10X50 illuminated dot scope. This gun will consistently group 3 shots in 2" at 200 yards if I do my part. I know it's not traditional BUT if I remove the scope, I can hunt almost anywhere in the US that does not allow inlines, smokeless powder, or scopes. It is an exceptional conical & sabot shooter and if I want to shoot traditional, I'll use my Sante Fe Hawken. But for hunting long distances with confidence, this gun with certain mods can outshoot most in-lines and still have a percussion lock!!!
2f but I'm going to try 3f next time,,but NO pellets! Also just a quick wet patch after about 20 shots,,easiest stuff to clean I've ever used,,,but don't use it with patched roundballs, groups go all to hell!! I use the same load out of my TC Tree Hawk with 20" twist and it shoots just as well!! That's my open sight tree-stand gun,,and that thing is also a real tack driver!!
Have you gone up and down your charge range with the RBs I use 3f /777 in everything up to 54 ,dont have a Black Mountain , wanted one , just never got around to it. I do have a H+A underhammer with a 50 cal/ 24"x 1 1/8 1x24 twist and it shoots rbs at 100 yds great, you might try a bigger ball,thicker patch, but if you have a Santa Fe you got that licked. that 777 is hard to beat, fred :hatsoff:
