I have often wonderd if the moderators ever get tired of brownnosing when some of these topics come up that really have little place here if indeed we are to keep the tradition alive? I guess it is part of the definition of moderator, which becomes mediator, yet the modern stuff keeps sliding through.I think the forum should have kept the modern ML forum (in-line forum is a poor choice of words for describing the new guns it is self limiting to ignition type which is not an issue performance wise) so all the non traditional stuff, [plastic stocks/pellets modern bullets and hightech sights and such) could be talked about there and the traditional folks could talk about the traditional guns /gear on the appropriate forums