TC Renegade vs. Hawken

[Brik847]

What's the difference between these two?

 

[roundball]

What's the difference between these two?

Biggest significant difference is the stock style...Hawken stock design would immediately bring to mind the general look of a traditional ML with it's curved brass buttplate, brass patchbox, and brass furniture.

Renegade has a squared off butt like a modern shotgun, no patchbox, blued furniture, and a shorter LOP than a Hawken.

Locks are identical.

There are two sizes of Hawkens, 15/16" for .45/.50cals and 1" for .54/.58cals.

One size of Renegade...all barrels are 1" regardless of caliber, and usually an inch shorter than the equivalent Hawken barrel, both standard and round ball.

 

[shmrck1]

What's the difference between these two?

Brik,
To each his own, but I prefer the Hawken as I
think most would.But again it is just an opinion.
snake-eyes :hmm:

 

[Idaho Ron]

I hate the Hawken buttplate. I like a little longer length of pull. I added a slip on recoil pad to my Renedgade and it was perfect. Couldn't do that with a Hawken. Ron

 

[Rat Trapper]

I also prefer the look of the Hawken. The hawken butt plate has never caused me any problems.

 

[roundball]

I also prefer the look of the Hawken. The hawken butt plate has never caused me any problems.

Yeah, me too...don't even notice the butt plate when using them as rifles...however, I do use one of those slip on rubber recoil pads to square up the butt when I'm going to shoot clay targets or try some doves or crows, to avoid getting the toe in the wrong place when mounting it real quick...

 

[roundball]

I hate the Hawken buttplate. I like a little longer length of pull. I added a slip on recoil pad to my Renedgade and it was perfect. Couldn't do that with a Hawken. Ron

Yeah, the Renegades I've handled are very short...can't use them because my cheek comes down on top of the back of my right hand where it holds the wrist.

 

[DavidLawrence]

I sold the Hawken barrel, and bought a Green Mountain, roundball, 58 caliber drop-in barrel. I swapped the blued GM ramrod ferrules for the brass T/C ferrules. Then I got a Davis replacement trigger. I sold the old trigger and barrel on Ebay back when you could do that. It is a really nice rifle. I got the rifle very reasonably from a guy walking around a gun show.

 

[Russ T Frizzen]

Nine times out of ten, when people say they don't like a Hawken type butt plate, it's because they're mounting it wrong. If they weren't, they wouldn't be having a problem.

 

[roundball]

"...Green Mountain, roundball, 58 caliber drop-in barrel..."

I've got that same GM .58cal barrel in Flint...accuracy is outstanding...an excellent barrel !

 

[roundball]

Agree...the toe has to be in the crease of the armpit...after I got in the habit of mounting it correctly I never even think about it...it's all subconscious

 

[windwalker_au]

I hate the Hawken buttplate. I like a little longer length of pull. I added a slip on recoil pad to my Renedgade and it was perfect. Couldn't do that with a Hawken. Ron

yes you can have a slip on but plate on the hawken if you make your owne or get one custom made.
bernie

 

[windwalker_au]

Nine times out of ten, when people say they don't like a Hawken type butt plate, it's because they're mounting it wrong. If they weren't, they wouldn't be having a problem.

that is so true russ i dont have any probs with curved but plates.
bernie :thumbsup:

 

[Idaho Ron]

I have two model 94's with the curved but plate and I owned a Hawken with a curved butt for years. I just don't like them. They are not comfortable for shooting on the bench. Ron

 

[paulvallandigham]

Either buy a sorbuthane recoil pad to slip over them, or change the butt plates to a straighter shotgun style buttplate. I had to extend the buttstock on my 94 just to stop it from hitting my cheekbone below the eye, and driving my knuckle into my nose. I have removed the toe off the stocks of my ML rifle, and gone to a flatter, shotgun style butt.Because I have a barrel chest, I have increased the amount of pitch and that has made handling recoil a charm, as well as help me mount the gun to my eye quickly.

 

[Rebel]

Hate to tell you this Paul, but your chest is higher than that barrel thing. :rotf: