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Hi Robin,
You may be right. But the Bess is in excellent condition, ready to fire and the Charlevilles frizzen doesnt produce sparks (yet). My favourite gun-smith, Magnus Wiberg :bow: , is for unknown reasons occupied working with a Teppo belonging to a V.I.P.-customer :cursing: . so I just have to be patient and wait :winking: .
ARILAR :grin: :thumbsup:
 
Why not harden and temper that frizzen yourself? All you need is a map torch. or oxy-acetylene torch, to heat it to Red, and then dunk it in oil. Then, clean off the crust with emery cloth, or a powered wired brush wheel, and then temper it in your oven at 450 gegrees F., for 2 hours. Turn the oven off, and let it cool slowly over night.

You can't kill the frizzen doing this. The result should be a frizzen that sparks. If it was made of soft iron, you may have to have a replacement made of steel. Case hardening only puts carbon and silica in a few thousandth's of an inch of the surface, and is quickly removed with just a few firings of the flint. You can also have someone fit a " Shoe" make of proper steel to the face of the original frizzen, thereby saving the old one, while getting it to spark again. This process has been described here, and elsewhere, but you need a good shop with tools to do this well. That will probably require the assistance of your favorite gunsmith. That is why I suggest you try hardening and tempering it yourself, first.
 
Squire Robin said:
the Charlesville will be more accurate.

best regards

Squire Robin
Why is that? What is the advantage on the Charleville compared to Bessie?? I better listen to Paulvallandigham and get the frizzen going!!
ARILAR :grin: :thumbsup:
 
I don't know why, but if you shoot a 50 yard competition with both, the Charlesville seems to win...

OTOH I could be completely wrong :rotf:
 
arilar,
Go to the store and get some bone meal, or just use wood charcoal out of the wood stove or fire place or whatever. Charring bonemeal will stink to high heaven, so don't use the bonemeal in the house, and don't use charcoal briquettes.

Take a baby food can or similar can and pack the charcoal tightly all around frizzen, and put the lid loosely on top, so the lid will fall off when the contents are dumped in the water. Make a wood fire and get a good bed of coals, put the can in the coals upright and build up the fire on top. Keep the can red hot with the coals. After it is red hot for one hour take it out and dump the frizzen and charcoal into a bucket of Luke warm water. The can must be red hot when you dump it, don't let it cool off. Then take the frizzen and put it in the kitchen oven for one hour at 350 to 400 deg. F Then let it cool and heat the tail up until it turns blue at the junction of the tail and the pan cover. Don't let the colors go up the face of the frizzen. Cool it and your done.
Why make things harder than necessary? :winking:
J.D.
 
arilar,
In re-reading a few of these posts, I realized that it appears that paulvallandigham is assuming that your frizzen is made of modern high carbon steel.

The instructions he gave are for hardening and tempering modern high carbon steel. Those instructions do not work on antique parts made of wrought iron or mild steel, since those materials do not contain enough carbon to harden and temper using the method he described.

Case harding, by heating the part packed in carbon, or using modern case hardening compounds are the only way to harden wrought iron, or mild steel parts.

paulvallandigham is correct that case harding CAN create a hard surface that is only a few thousands of an inch deep, however, the longer the part is "baked" in the hardening compound, the deeper the case hardening.

The method described in my last post is the same method used by blacksmiths to make blister steel of wrought iron. In the production of blister steel, the carbon penetrates the full thickness of iron, making it as hardenable as any modern high carbon steel. The only difference in procedure of case hardening and blister steel production is that blister steel is "baked" in the carbon rich environment for a much longer time.

I seriously doubt that your frizzen is made of blister steel, as the process to produce blister steel is, and was, VERY time consuming, and therefore very expensive.

Case hardening is much less time consuming and therefore much less expensive, and far more attractive to a government supplying large numbers of firearms to a large army.

Anyone interested in learing about blister steel should find plenty of information on the net.
J.D.
 
J.D.,
I am impressed by all the knowledge you and Paul possess on this. Thats why I enjoy this Forum. So much to learn. I have my thumb in the middle of my hand and will probably let Magnus Wiberg do the job on the frizzen. Anxious to prove that Robin is wrong and will try my "Swedish-version" Brown Bess to successfully compete my Charleville!
ARILAR :grin: :thumbsup:
 
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