Triple 7 and Pyrodex ?

[rebs]

what can you tell me about these powders ? Pros and cons

 

[Grimord]

If you shoot a flint lock they do not work well.

 

[TFoley]

How much time you got?

It has been covered countless times in the last twenty years or so I've been here. Do a search for it.

The general consensus is that Black is best, and I'm not going to argue with that.

Subs are fine and dandy IF there is nothing else, but require a different clean-up régime - more like a nitro propellant

 

[labrat]

I can't understand why Hodgen would abandon the block powder industry. I can see rebuilding the plant would be costly but the demands are high and the industry very strong. Crap! Get those scientists to formulate a replacement with there existing 20 different kinds of gun powder. My goodness it's only black powder. my 2 cents!

 

[azmntman]

The short of it is they work just fine as per what they were designed for. Use a hot cap. Clean REAL GOOD. If using in a flintlock use 10 grains real black and follow with 60 gr 777 or pyrodex (for 70 gr load). I never had an issue. Just you guys in humid areas. Clean same day or FIRST thing in the AM for you guys that have humidity. Here in AZ we get a bit xtra cuz thy aint much humidity most the time. Black powder matters. Use it when possible

 

[brewer12345]

I have tried pyrodex and black mz (AKA American Pioneer AKA Shooters World). Pyrodex was somewhat hard to ignite and extremely corrosive. I gave away the remaining can and a half. Black MZ/APP is much better. Easier to ignite, far less fouling than real black (handy for small bores and revolvers), but somewhat less energetic than Goex. I shoot plenty of real black, but the Black MZ/APP is also something I like and use. 110 grains of the latter and a 530 PRB accounted for my last two deer.

 

[Sparkitoff]

I have one rifle that is actual most accurate with Triple 7 Fffg. I also use a lot of Pyrodex RS in my smooth bored. It works well and if you clean properly at end of the day, no problem.

 

[Omahkapi'si]

I find T7 cleans up quick and easy. Pyrodex takes a little longer.

 

[toot]

I can't understand why Hodgen would abandon the block powder industry. I can see rebuilding the plant would be costly but the demands are high and the industry very strong. Crap! Get those scientists to formulate a replacement with there existing 20 different kinds of gun powder. My goodness it's only black powder. my 2 cents!

that is fine as long as you are not an employee in the plant when a catastrophic failure happens. lives cost $ & are not replaceable. jmho.

 

[toot]

I find T7 cleans up quick and easy. Pyrodex takes a little longer.

so I take it that you are not a rock lock shooter? or you would know the difference? jmho.

 

[Omahkapi'si]

Nope I shoot a cap lock. But I shoot Goex too. Have lots of both.

 

[rafterob]

I have used Pyrodex and 777 in the past but been shooting real black for 15 years. As mentioned, a magnum cap is recommended for best ignition on the substitutes. They all shoot fine but the substitutes are pricier than real black. The only benefit is that many retailers carry the substitutes. Not an issue if you are purchasing online.

 

[Ohio Rusty]

I shot alot of Pyrodex P in my .50 caliber Hawken and it worked excellent. Never a misfire and was accurate with buffalo bore conicals. I use it in my cap-n-ball pistols and never had an issue. in my parger caliber gun like my 12 gauge, I use Pyrodex select and it works well for pheasant hunting..
Ohio Rusty ><>

 

[LME]

I didn't have a choice and shot Pyrodex for a while, it was all my local shop had at the time. I learned how to use it over time as it was my first B.P rifle and no internet or friends into the sport that I knew of to compare notes . I can say it will shoot a ball right where you point the rifle. I did shoot a three shot group at 100 yards that was one oval race track hole. The rifle had fixed buckhorn sights as well . What more can one expect out of a powder? I can clean the bore in 15 minutes with just soap and water with no problem.

 

[Bergmann]

I have one rifle that is actual most accurate with Triple 7 Fffg. I also use a lot of Pyrodex RS in my smooth bored. It works well and if you clean properly at end of the day, no problem.

I tried T7 in my "chunk gun" and got great groups out of a fresh can! 1 year later using the same can I couldn't keep the shots on the paper!

 

[toot]

I can't understand why Hodgen would abandon the block powder industry. I can see rebuilding the plant would be costly but the demands are high and the industry very strong. Crap! Get those scientists to formulate a replacement with there existing 20 different kinds of gun powder. My goodness it's only black powder. my 2 cents!

just think, have you had 7 fires & explosions in your work place or home sense 1997? I don't think so. do the math.

 

[labrat]

Hello toot, I appreciate your 2 responses but I don't quite understand your meaning. 7 fires & explosions & catastrophic failures. If you mean this plant has had these happen then I'd say they seriously have some safety issues and needed to be shut down years ago. Hard to make a profit with that track record. All I'm saying is with the technology of today there scientists should know how to formulate a replacement for black powder. Or stick with the present black powder and move the operation to one of there other working plants. Engineered to be safe of course.......Labrat

 

[dave951]

Hey, maybe Schuetzen knows how to safely make black powder. Haven't heard of a KB with them.

 

[GoodRabbitPilgrim]

I don't personally buy pyrodex but have used it in percussion and ignition was no different to my mind than real blackpowder.

 

[HiDesertHunter]

I tried Pyrodex a few years ago when I couldn't get BP locally (well, closely that is) and was pleasantly surprised.

I discovered it had more of a 'crack' sound upon discharge and accuracy was fantastic. It worked much better than BP in my replica 1851 .36 Colt Navy as well. It ignited without fail with standard caps as well.

I also did not find it any more corrosive or difficult to clean than 'real' BP as well.