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I will preface this by saying that I am not the world's best shooter. However I am able to hit a target at 15 yards. But, not with one gun. I have a .50 cal CVA plains pistol that was given to me by my sister. It originally belonged to her husband who was an avid gun owner and muzzle loader enthusiast. I took it to the range today to shoot it but couldn't hit paper at 25yd. I am using 30 grain fffg, .490 ball and .010 spit patch. I shifted to 15yd with the same load but could not hit to poa.

Aside from just bad shooting what can possibly be the issue? The guns in good condition for a circa '70's pistol.
 
move to 5 yds. use a 4 foot x4 foot target frame. that will definitely tell you where the ball is going. if the ball is missing at that range..... don't know what to say.
 
Learning to shoot a pistol, is like learning to shoot all over again. I have a 50 cal CVA pistol that I got back in the late 1970s and I have found that in order to hit the target at 25 yards, you will need to have a good solid hold of the pistol with the hand you are shooting it with. It also helps to rest the butt of the pistol on the open palm of your other hand for added stability. You might also want to rest the muzzle end of the barrel on a rest until you figure out just where you balls are hitting in relation to your sights. For mine, I use a 0.483 round ball, 0.010 patch lightly lubed on one side with pig lard, and 25 grains of 2FF Goex black powder (for a measure, I use a spent ACP 45 brass case). Lastly, be sure to maintain a solid hold on the pistol with your shooting hand.
 
Definitely concur with others' thoughts on getting closer and resting the pistol to find out where it is shooting. After that, one has to look at what one is doing right and wrong to shoot the pistol.

Now, I do not pretend to be a great pistol shot, but have learned some things over the years you may find useful. I served a number of years with some of the finest Pistol Shooters in the Corps and worked on some of their guns. (One might think I would have picked up some things by osmosis, if nothing else. :wink: :grin: )

I had fired "Expert" for a number of years on annual qualification, but I never considered myself a good pistol shot until I went through the NRA's Law Enforcement Instructor's Course. For whatever reason, "the lights finally came on" during that course, though they did not teach anything I had not been taught before. I guess I finally opened up my thick head and allowed good info to come in. My pistol scores went up dramatically from the low end of Expert Qualification to the high end and it was much easier to shoot the better scores than it had been to shoot the lower scores.

I took that knowledge and gave instruction to my Junior Marine Armorers, most of whom never fired the full Qualification Course with a pistol. They enjoyed almost a 100 percent qualification rate and a surprising large percentage shot Expert, even for their first time out. Here are the basic things I taught them.

1. You HAVE to establish a natural point of aim with a pistol and especially the newer you are to pistol shooting. This means you close your eyes and then raise and hold the pistol where it feels "good." Then open your eyes. If you are NOT in the center of your target, you have to move your feet and upper body. Then close your eyes and try again. It may take four or five body/feet adjustments (or more) to get to the point where when you open your eyes, your sights will be right on target.

2. You need to "dry fire" your pistol in practice. This means with an unloaded pistol: BUT you MUST **** and use the percussion hammer or flintlock ****/hammer and allow it to fall so you are also practicing follow through. You have to have a nipple protector on a percussion pistol and use a piece of wood shaped like a flint in the ****/hammer of a flintlock pistol. It is a good idea to do this at least 10 times per night as you learn to pull the trigger and keep good follow through.

3. Now this MAY be the most difficult thing to learn/accept. It probably kept me from shooting much better scores for a long time, because I was too thick headed. You MUST always strive for perfect sight alignment, NO MATTER how much you naturally wobble around the center of the target as you hold the pistol and pull the trigger. You want a smooth trigger pull while maintaining perfect sight alignment and the gun should "go off" as a surprise. DO NOT attempt to quickly pull the trigger when the sights are in the center of the target as you WILL throw the shot off center that way. Let the gun "go off" when it will while you maintain perfect sight alignment and hold the pistol steady for as long as a time as the bullet would go through the target.

Do these three things and I can absolutely guarantee you will see your scores raise.

Now, if you decide to shoot the pistol a whole lot, you will develop a better grip, stance and your "wobble area" will get smaller and you will shoot even better scores. You THEN may try more advanced techniques, BUT you MUST have the basics down pat before going there.

Wish you all the best.

Gus
 
Stop pushing down to anticipate recoil ,I still do this at times and it s..ts no end when I do it . :wink:
 
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There are a lot of good suggestions, but the single most neglected aspect of good marksmanship is FOLLOW THROUGH. It is especially important with a handgun.
 
I don't have the same problem with my Lyman's plains pistol. At 25 yards I can hit paper and at 15 yards it is deadly. Same load but with a .015 patch. I am looking for the possibility of a gun issue. One thing I noticed was that I couldn't use the .015 patch on the CVA. It just wouldn't load.
 
All of your advice is great. Here is what I will do:

1. Start at 7yd with a fresh target.
2. Shoot from a rest to see where the balls are landing
3. Adjust load to see the change with a fresh target.
4. Adjust patch lube to see the change with afresh target.

I don't shoot this gun often and, given its age, maybe this have moved. I'll give it the Dutch Schoultz try to get it back on target.
 
Sounds like maybe the barrel is pointing to a different spot than where the sights are looking. Get close enough to get it on paper and adjust accordingly.
 
I don't really think there is much wrong with your form ,i think you should scrub that bore real good with a old 50cal bore brush with strips of Chore Boy copper scrubbing pad wrapped around it then with scotch brite,and i would make sure to use a good rest with the front of the stock about 1 1/2" back on the rest no other part of the gun touching it,then hold steady with a trigger pull where you will not know when the gun will fire and then follow through. My 50cal will shoot a 3 1/2" group at 50yds with up to 50 grns powder but usually use 40 grns,when shooting it this way. Just clean the barrel real well and may try different lubes and patchs.
 
And a side thought. If you have one, a laser bore sight will tell you if the bore and sights are in agreement, particularly for windage.

Calum
 
to check my sights I take a 4 foot piece of 3/8" brass rod, (my drop tube for loading BPCR) and add a couple of "O" rings and push it down the barrel, rhen looking from above center the front sight. using the sights, I see if the rear lines up with the brass rod and front sight, and adjust the rear sight accordingly. then I set a 4 foot level on the front sight and rear sight and measure the angle produced by the brass rod and level. they should be slightly headed to intersect not parallel or angled away from each other. this usuallt gets me within inches or better before sighting in with live fire.
 
Artificer said:
Definitely concur with others' thoughts on getting closer and resting the pistol to find out where it is shooting. After that, one has to look at what one is doing right and wrong to shoot the pistol.

Now, I do not pretend to be a great pistol shot, but have learned some things over the years you may find useful. I served a number of years with some of the finest Pistol Shooters in the Corps and worked on some of their guns. (One might think I would have picked up some things by osmosis, if nothing else. :wink: :grin: )

I had fired "Expert" for a number of years on annual qualification, but I never considered myself a good pistol shot until I went through the NRA's Law Enforcement Instructor's Course. For whatever reason, "the lights finally came on" during that course, though they did not teach anything I had not been taught before. I guess I finally opened up my thick head and allowed good info to come in. My pistol scores went up dramatically from the low end of Expert Qualification to the high end and it was much easier to shoot the better scores than it had been to shoot the lower scores.

I took that knowledge and gave instruction to my Junior Marine Armorers, most of whom never fired the full Qualification Course with a pistol. They enjoyed almost a 100 percent qualification rate and a surprising large percentage shot Expert, even for their first time out. Here are the basic things I taught them.

1. You HAVE to establish a natural point of aim with a pistol and especially the newer you are to pistol shooting. This means you close your eyes and then raise and hold the pistol where it feels "good." Then open your eyes. If you are NOT in the center of your target, you have to move your feet and upper body. Then close your eyes and try again. It may take four or five body/feet adjustments (or more) to get to the point where when you open your eyes, your sights will be right on target.

2. You need to "dry fire" your pistol in practice. This means with an unloaded pistol: BUT you MUST **** and use the percussion hammer or flintlock ****/hammer and allow it to fall so you are also practicing follow through. You have to have a nipple protector on a percussion pistol and use a piece of wood shaped like a flint in the ****/hammer of a flintlock pistol. It is a good idea to do this at least 10 times per night as you learn to pull the trigger and keep good follow through.

3. Now this MAY be the most difficult thing to learn/accept. It probably kept me from shooting much better scores for a long time, because I was too thick headed. You MUST always strive for perfect sight alignment, NO MATTER how much you naturally wobble around the center of the target as you hold the pistol and pull the trigger. You want a smooth trigger pull while maintaining perfect sight alignment and the gun should "go off" as a surprise. DO NOT attempt to quickly pull the trigger when the sights are in the center of the target as you WILL throw the shot off center that way. Let the gun "go off" when it will while you maintain perfect sight alignment and hold the pistol steady for as long as a time as the bullet would go through the target.

Do these three things and I can absolutely guarantee you will see your scores raise.

Now, if you decide to shoot the pistol a whole lot, you will develop a better grip, stance and your "wobble area" will get smaller and you will shoot even better scores. You THEN may try more advanced techniques, BUT you MUST have the basics down pat before going there.

Wish you all the best.

Gus
Great post, I'm copying this to my computer! Your pie chart too. I don't have a pistol yet but just wrote the exam to get my license.

Jamie
 
Hmmm, CVA Plains pistol? Would this be the one with a 6 inch barrel and no rear sight? If it is then no wonder your having trouble hitting the target. If its the same one I have then you have a potentially good shooter on your hands. I hand cut a dove tail into the rear of my barrel and put on a rear sight then went back to work. I had to file the rear sight quite a bit to get the itty bitty front sight to line up right but after all that fussin I ended up with a good shooter. Keep at it you'll figure it out.

Don
 
Gus,

Excellent tips. Where do you find nipple protectors? I have tried leather from old boots but couldn't figure out how to keep it in place. Makes dry firing a three handed effort!
 
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