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so again, what exactly is this?

ike
 
With the center band and slingring I think that makes it a grenadier marine tulle. not 100% sure though , any way it's a keeper for sure .
 
I believe this gun to be a 1729 contract Marine Grenadier Fusil undoubtedly manufactured by Tulle.It is very likely made from Rifle Shop parts.The only difference between the Marine Fusil Grenadier and the Marine Fusil Ordinaire seems to be in the barrel length in that the Ordinaire has a 44 and 1/2 in. barrel while the Grenadier's barrel is 2 in. shorter. The main difference between the 1729 and 1734 guns is that the 1729 has a wooden ramrod and the 1734 has a steel rod. These barrel dimensions may vary somewhat and as one veteran collector has noted,"the only consistency in French arms is their inconsistency"
This is a very well made gun very likely using Rifle Shop parts. :hmm:
As always I welcome responsible opposing comment
Tom Patton
 
those pics are from a gun auktion here in germany. the text says it is unfired, used as a wallhanger for the past 20+ years.
as you can see in the pics, the proofmarks state it is a spanish proof. the caliber mark is 16.6mm which is close to 17GA or .654 inch.

what would you guys think is it worth? keep in mind, that here it is VERY seldom to get near a gun made from parts from The Rifle Shoppe - if toms asumption is correct.

and, since we do nearly have zero expierience with guns made up from those parts, could anyone tell me how good or bad are the quality is?

thank you,
ike
 
Wish it were mine :( . That's from the time when the froggies could make a good looking gun :)
 
Ike Godsey said:
those pics are from a gun auktion here in germany. the text says it is unfired, used as a wallhanger for the past 20+ years.
as you can see in the pics, the proofmarks state it is a spanish proof. the caliber mark is 16.6mm which is close to 17GA or .654 inch.

what would you guys think is it worth? keep in mind, that here it is VERY seldom to get near a gun made from parts from The Rifle Shoppe - if toms asumption is correct.

and, since we do nearly have zero expierience with guns made up from those parts, could anyone tell me how good or bad are the quality is?

thank you,
ike

Ike,I think that I already commented on the quality of this gun. As to the possible value I'm not sure since guns of this type are seldom seen. Several years ago I saw a well built gun of this type which was supposed to have been built by the Rifle Shop and was offered for sale by a vendor at Fort Loudon,Tennessee.I almost bought it but decided that I didn't need another repro gun.Fitz Williams recently posted on the gun which is now in Louisiana on Jon's board. I believe it had all the bells and whistles including relief carving/molding around the tang and trigger guard.AS I recall the gun was priced around $1750.00 and I could have gotten it for somewhat less.I'm not sure what if any carving is found on the 1729/1734 Marine Grenadier/Ordinaire fusils but am inclined to doubt their presence on these guns.As you said guns of this quality are seldom offered for sale.Good luck and start as low as you can since I doubt many people will recognize it for what it probably is and you may get a real bargain. I recommend the Rifle Shoppe catalogue as a good source for these type guns. :hmm: :bow:
As always I welcome responsible opposing comment.
Tom Patton
 
I have no doubt that Tom is correct, it is made from Rifle Shoppe parts. The Spanish proof marks show that it has been properly proofed for use in Europe after importation. It could have been imported as parts and built by a maker in Spain or another European country. Remember that TRS has imorters/dealers in Europe as described here:
http://www.therifleshoppe.com/contact.htm

As to price? That would be hard to say, but I feel that Tom's quote of US $1,750 is low, even here in the US. But it of course depends on the market and the desire someone has to own a high quality government proofed reproduction. In the US a new gun made from TRS parts would be around $2,000 if the quality of the work done is equal to the quality of the parts. The current cost of the complete parts set with an assembled, ready to use lock from TRS is $1095.00 If you want to finish the lock from rough castings yourself, the complete set of parts to make the complete gun is $950.
 
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I guess I need to qualify my post.I don't disagree with your estimate but the gun I almost bought was offered by a vendor at Fort Loudon several years ago and it stood in his rack for almost two days and my memory isn't the greatest. This is a small event with not many French reenactors/collectors with the money and I don't know how much Wayne had in it.I remember thinking at the time that $1500.00 would buy the gun but I also didn't know where I could sell it.This gun was supposed to be a bench copy that Jess built in exchange for the owner's loaning the original gun to copy.The owner of the original gun sold the copy and Wayne wound up with it for probably a very good price hence a good price to the next man.As I said I passed on the gun for about $1500.00 or so. :bow: :v
Tom Patton
 
i know this is rather old, but right now i am a little confused, so i would like to activate this again.

if you re-read the older posts and look at the pics that came from a german gun auction, you see that we're talking about a gun, that is very seldomly seen here in germany.
i was not able to buy the above mentioned gun, the price went to the roof... ...something 1200 euros, which is close to 1500US$.

to make a long story short, i came across a gun dealer here and he offered a couple of used muzzleloaders, both, percs and flint and i saw a "little" smoothie hiding in the corner.
asking about a price he asks for a little less than 700 euros (875 US$). i bought it and took it home. after taking a loser look to it and also at the above mentioned pics from the old gun auction, i am a little confused.... here are the pics from may new smoothie:

barrel marks

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lock. it is marked "TVLE" (just one "L") and a sign i don't know.

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mark in the stock:

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and here is what confuses me. the pics from the older gun auction show a wooden rammer. here is the one that is fit to my gun:

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here are some additional infos:
caliber 17.4mm = .685 or 15GA
barrel length: 113,5cm = 44,68 inch
lenght all over: 153,5cm = 60,43 inch

the gun is marked with the numer 22 all over (inside) one of the "2" is always turned 90° (??)

there are two rings on the left side, on behind the sideplate, one a barrel ring.

what is it i have here?
are there any supplies for spareparts, just in case?
from a first look its well build - how much is it really worth?
the lock is good and throws a lot of sparks! should make a good shooter too.

any info/help welcome.

ike
 
Just a slightly newer version of the first one you posted, looks to be good quality.
 
Ike:
The rings are for a sling. I'm confused, the spanish proofmarks look like they are on a brass barrel?? :hmm:
Nit Wit
 
nit,

please do not make the mistake to mix two different guns. the pics with the green backround is NOT my gun.

my gun is the one with the wooden backround. there are no proofmarks on my gun. but thanks for the hint :thumbsup:

could it be, that the gun with the steel rod is a 1734 french tulle fusil des grenadier?

ike
 
i have looked at several pics of TVLLE muskets on the internet. i am a bit confused again as to the finish of the metal parts. some of the TVLLE muskets appear in a shiny metal bright, some of them are browned.

what is (was) HC/PC correct?
is there a difference in metal finish (color) between a TVLLE de chasse and a TVLLE de gernadier?
maybe some coating so the metal parts are not shiny while in the woods?

:confused:

ike
 
Muskets were a matt metal finish.Any originals that you see that are brown that is patina.
 
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