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Stumpkiller said:
Through reading about Robert Rogers (and of course watching The Patriot), I've developed a desire to own and learn how to use a Kentucky/Pennsylvania rifle. I guess I have a desire to get back to the special ops roots.

For what it's worth, there may not have been a rifle among Rogers Rangers units. They's have been using the First Model Long Land Pattern - the smoothbore Bess musket in .75 cal +/-. Possibly a few would have had Jaeger rifles, but they'd a been uncommon and most likely not a Pennsylvania style rifle in the bunch.

They were a military unit and not self equipped.
[url] http://www.rogersrangers.com/rangers history.html[/url]

Look into the "Pioneer" units of the Revolution if you want to find some riflemen. They were the forward scouts and counter-sniper cover to guard from Indians picking off the road-clearing details and supply chains.
In Roger's Journals it states that the men were to be selected from hunters and woodsmen and provide their own arms. Later they were afforded a one time payment to procure arms and uniforms. Whatever weapons were used by hunters of the era, I'm not sure, but I don't think it would have been a military musket.
 
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The Osprey books have nice pictures, but are notorious for being sloppy on the details, especially the early ones. Some are quite good, some are lousy, and sometimes it is difficult to tell the difference unless you already know the subject well or you are familiar with the author. Unless they actually quote original documents to the effect that the Rangers had rifles, I would take things with a grain of salt. I have ten of them, in case you are wondering. I buy them mostly for the pictures, though.

-Ok, just saw *Hawkeyes* post. My caveat about Osprey books still stands, however. :wink:

KSC,
here are two websites to look at.
Jim Chamber's Flintlocks
Mike Brooks
Jim and Mike offer the best kits I know of, and if you are handy you can put one together yourself, or you can find someone to put it together for you. If you don't feel up to assembling a kit but don't mind wood and/or metal finishing, you might be able to get one "in-the-white," assembled but not finished. Jim usually has a few around the shop when I've visited. Even if you decide to go a different direction, those two sites should give you an idea of what a 1750-75 gun should look like. There are lots cheaper guns out there, but the combination of a first-class lock and a swamped barrel make for a historically accurate, reliable, and well-balanced piece that will retain its value over the years. Admittedly, Jim is a friend of mine, so I am biased, but I think others will echo my opinion.
I will say that if you want a long barreled rifle, a swamped barrel (thick at the breech, tapered to about 6 inches from the muzzle, then flared at the muzzle) is worth every penny, especially on a hunting rifle. A rifle with a swamped barrel over 40" will swing and hold quite naturally, while a straight barrel will feel quite muzzle heavy by comparison.

Here is a site that has originals, though most date from after the Revolution. American Historic Services

.50 and .54 are the medium calibers of the muzzleloading world. Either would be capable of killing a whitetail at that range - I know of a fellow who dropped a moose at 175 yards with a .54 - the trick is hitting it accurately with open sights. Most people who hunt with muzzleloaders try to get closer, and as others have already mentioned, in the Eastern forests you usually cannot see beyond 50 or 75 yards anyhow.

Oh, BTW, the most common weapon in New England during the F & I war was the fowler. Look at the one on Mike Brooks's page. Rifles were pretty much unknown until after the Revolution, as far as we can tell. Rifles would have been more common along the PA frontier and in the South. Rogers was not the only ranger-type force in existence at the time, incidently, just the most famous. Also, I suspect that muskets nearly as common as AKs are today in the Middle East - an awful lot of fowlers, as well as a few rifles, use recycled musket parts. Even along the frontier - rifle territory - they seem to have been common, at least according to one source.
 
"White Devil" is an excellent book that quotes first hand sources about there being rifles in Rogers' Rangers.

Also, Parkman's work, "Montcalm and Wolfe" also quotes sources saying that there were 10 rifles per company in Rogers' Rangers.

Doc
 
If you go to the Track of the Wolf site and look under "Guns for Sale" you will find many styles of Kentucky rifles ready for immediate sale. It may help you decide what style you like plus give you a good idea of the cost.
 
Another great source heavily researched is Gaey Stephen Zaboly's large tome, "A True Ranger: The Life and Many Wars of Robert Rogers."

On page 202 he quotes a first hand letter written 15 December 1757 from CPT-LT Pringle to his sister concerning the Rangers, "...They shoot amazingly well, all Ball, & mostly with rifled Barrels."

Zaboly also quotes three separate first hand sources that speak of rifles being in New England prior to, or at the time of the F&I War: one from the Boston Gazette dated 18JULY1749, another from a Boston auction sheet dated JUNE1756 and the last from the New York Mercury dated 29SEPT1755. These are on page 205.

On page 220 he quotes a first hand source stating that "The ten best marksmen of each regiment were issued "Rifled Barreled Guns," with the 4 indepenent sources listed on page 226, end note #32.

On page 263 he directly quotes Merriman's diary page 665 entry dated 25JULY1759, "Rogers' "rifled-armed men spent the night popping bullets" into the outerwork and at the sentries on the walls.

This "textbook" is really a "must have" resource for factual, first hand documentation of Rogers' Rangers details.

I do not think that there is any question after seeing multiple, independent, current time, first hand accounts that there were rifles in the Rangers. There may not have been many, and exactly what they look like we do not know, but they were definitely there.

Doc
 
Regarding caliber, 50 or 54 will provide plenty of knock down capability. If Elk is in your hunting menu then use 54. 54 is also tolerable when competing at paper punching matches. Mike Brooks makes a great military jager that would fit within the Roger's Rangers as well as the Revolutionary periods. Take a look at his early VA kit as well.

Richard
 
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