WEAPON

[Stumpkiller]

Not because I'm afraid of offending people, but because most of the people in my life who've referred to their guns as "weapons" as a standard practice were Jeff Cooper wannabe jerks who, just for the record, would consider us all losers for wasting our time with obsolete "weapons".

True 'nuff. Isn't Cooper the knuckle-head who uses "we" in the first-person. He's been exposed to too much lead splatter fumes, IMHO. Is he still alive? :haha: Must be in his 80's? But, we share a fondness for the .45 ACP. :winking:

I call my rifle a "rifle". My pistol a "pistol". My revolver a "revolver", etc. When speaking to non-shooting/hunting ears I use "gun" for convenience sake.

 

Doesn't anybody want to talk about karaoke? :shocked2:

 

[Maestro]

Doesn't anybody want to talk about karaoke? :shocked2:

With all due respect.... No! :cursing:

Now that's a weapon! :blah:

 

[Walks Alone]

Doesn't anybody want to talk about karaoke? :shocked2:

Now that's a weapon! :blah:

But at least in use its usually classified as a "weapon of self destruction". :winking:

 

[mikelange]

Just so it's understood -- and then I'm done with this topic (man, bring on spring -- I gotta get a life outside this house!) -- I didn't mean to imply political correctness in my statements. I draw a line between common courtesy and consideration for others' feelings (once called plain good manners), and political correctness. Where common courtesy, honesty, and basic decency stop, and absurdity begins -- that's political correctness. By being a gun owner and builder, you disqualify yourself from being politically correct. :v

Happy New Year, Mike. And all the rest of you non-PC, murderous, weapon-totin' S.O.B.s. You're my kind of people.

 

Doesn't anybody want to talk about karaoke? :shocked2:

With all due respect.... No! :cursing:

Now that's a weapon! :blah:

:rotf: :rotf:

 

[tg]

"As has been mentioned so many times before, target guns were an after thought. The first guns were designed as weapons of war.'

One might find that the first tubes using propellant to send an object flying in the air...(gun) were for amusement, these little give and take topics really do serve a purpose to set folks position firmly in one camp or another and are a great aid in using the ignore feature...

 

[Mike Brooks]

AWWW C'mon tg, pretty soon only me and Okwaho will be the only ones listening to you...... :rotf:

 

[madstone]

Howdy, JR. from another KY "boy"! I work at A&M Firearms in Lexington. Only 4 days per wk, now, as I am "retired"! I "figger" the informal definition, at least to my backward ears, of weapon says something about its use against people. I never heard "old folks" refer to their ML's as weapons. They said rifle or hog rifle, shotgun, etc. Pistol was a handgun. They called ML's a flint-rock?? A weapon is anything used as a tool for defense or offense?But "these fellers", in here, seem to really know their material. I am very impressed w MLF
I enjoy this forum as I don't get a chance to talk with gun-owners :yakyak: , I just read the repair tag and... Nice to meet you "in here" :hatsoff:

 

[madstone]

To be read w a slow southern hill accent:
Y'all ought not talk "ugly" about Ole Jeff.
:rotf: (I,ve known lots'a Jeff Cooper "wannnabees", though.) Cooper got carried away with his personal views after he got old and ?? :winking: but I enjoyed reading him for years. I remember when he was the "new kid on the block" after Elmer Keith and Jordan.He was a little too serious, though. I sported a disgusting flat-top haircut then, too, so I caint deride his "butch" appearance! :rotf: ( Heck, I'm more laid back. I don't concern myself w "folks" much, just fondling antique ML's :thumbsup: and admiring the beauty of life. I don't read much a this new generation of gunwriters, or about combat shooting unless I'm not finished with my gun-mags! Guess I'm gettin' old and opinionated, too?? )
Like me "Coop" ought to have limited his comments, at least in print, to the business of "guns". I'll have to respect, in some way, though, anyone who has survived a real "pistol fight" and led others to better prepare for the horrible moment when "stuff" happens!!

 

[madstone]

How do ye cook a kari-o-ki? :rotf:

 

How do ye cook a kari-o-ki? :rotf:

Ya don't cook it, ya drink with it :grin:

 

[Stophel]

I'm with Mike (again) :grin: . Nothing is a weapon until it is used as such. I don't own any weapons. Lots of guns and knives and axes and such, but no weapons....well, there is one 12 ga pump gun with a short barrel and the side saddle extra shell holder that has no use other than as a weapon, but I ain't had to use it yet! I have other guns and implements ready to be used as weapons if the need arises, but until it does...

I have other guns which WERE used as weapons, but they are weapons no longer. Unless I use one of them as a weapon again. As far as I am concerned, those swords are now plowshares.

You use a weapon to attack or kill other human beings. You do NOT use a weapon to attack or kill animals. I couldn't care less what any government agency defines it as.

Words mean things.


YEEE HAH! :haha:
I'm in an unusually good mood.

Right wing? I bet I'd have to look way to the left with binoculars to see Mike!

 

Nothing is a weapon until it is used as such.

Not according to the dictionary and the law.

It's a weapon by virtue of it's design, not just it's use.

I don't own any weapons. Lots of guns and knives and axes and such, but no weapons....

The next time someone is arrested for carrying a concealed "weapon", they can tell them it's not REALLY a weapon, it's a GUN. The Fatdutchman said so.

I couldn't care less what any government agency defines it as.

Sure you do. You aren't going to test your definition and you know it. That's what's to amusing about this discussion. You guys make up your own definitions, but you know full well that the law, society, the dictionary and most 5 year-olds don't buy it.

 

[Mike Brooks]

The next time someone is arrested for carrying a concealed "weapon", they can tell them it's not REALLY a weapon, it's a GUN. The Fatdutchman said so.

Dale , anyone that's carrying a gun concealed has intent, and that intent is to kill humans with that concealed gun. In my mind your intended use for a concealed gun is use as a weapon. Personally I carry a concealed .45 when I travel. (legally mind you) I carry it with the intent of use as a weapon. I still don't refer to it as "my weapon" I call it my ."45" Not that it really makes any difference what I call it......
My sporting guns are still sporting guns and are just as likely to be used as a weapon as a base ball bat at my house, which ain't likely.
I realize the government has a little "thing" about guns and that they see my sporting guns as things that are evil and that need regulation. I'm fully aware of the governments paranoiyah with how and where I use my sporting guns. I, for the most part, follow all of their paranoid rules so I don't break those laws.
I guess it all boils down to this. I handle guns all day long every day. I've done that intensly for the past twenty five years. Having such up close and personal contact with guns everyday, my mind doesn't repeat in a continuous loop "weapon, weapon, weapon, kill, kill, kill....." With such close and common contact , guns for me are nothing more than a tool of a sport or hobby, kind of like a soccer ball or the garden hoe my wife kills weeds and garter snakes with. In my hands guns are a tool and nothing more. Actually, in the world of custom guns, I consider them more an art form than anything else. probably a functional art form would be a better description.
Is a base ball bat a weapon? Depends on who has it and what that person's intent is. In my hands it is not a weapon because I desire to kill no man. In a man's hands that is bent on homocide it is a weapon. Besides, by your own definition a base ball bat has to be a weapon. It is nothing more than a club and the first club was desined with the intent as use as a weapon. So, the next time you watch a base ball game keep in mind the bat boy really isn't a bat boy, he's a weapons specialist.......
Besides, if the Fatdutchman agrees with me I have to be right. :blah: Or to the right.......er ah I'm getting confused now..... :yakyak:

YEEE HAH!
I'm in an unusually good mood.

I'm glad to see you're such a jockular fellow today Chris. :rotf:

 

[ResearchPress]

Target rifles may be OK for them as afraid of the outdoors, but, as Col. Pete Townsend (Who?) said: "Only hunting rifles are interesting."

Gosh, what a blinkered or ill-informed man your Col. Townsend must have been.

David

 

[Gary]

So, who said, "Only accurate rifles are interesting?"

 

[Stumpkiller]

Col. Townsend Whelen.

So, any rifle that was unfired was uninteresting to him, I suppose. I'm just fascinated by some of the "bad" designs in gun history. The Mauser "broomhandle" that goes together like a 3-D jigsaw puzzle, the Walther P.38, the 1911. Whether they are individually accurate is secondary.

But we all know target shooting is only useful as hunting practice. Otherwise, you can just use a paper punch to put holes in the paper without the 200 yards walk if that is your sole "aim". :rotf:

'Twas a joke, son. Pete Townsend was lead singer of the Who. :rotf:

 

'Twas a joke, son. Pete Townsend was lead singer of the Who. :rotf:

Sad isn't it? They're so serious. :rotf:

 

The next time someone is arrested for carrying a concealed "weapon", they can tell them it's not REALLY a weapon, it's a GUN. The Fatdutchman said so.

Dale , anyone that's carrying a gun concealed has intent, and that intent is to kill humans with that concealed gun.

Not according to you. He could be going target shooting and carrying it in the most convenient manner. You can't have it both ways, but that's the logic used to redefine things. Liberals do this all the time - how ironic. :rotf:

I realize the government has a little "thing" about guns and that they see my sporting guns as things that are evil and that need regulation. I'm fully aware of the governments paranoiyah with how and where I use my sporting guns.

With all due respect, it sounds like you guys are the one's who are paranoid. You seem to be doing your best to redefine guns as NOT being weapons, in the hope that society will change their attitude about them. It's ridiculous if you think about it.

Call guns what you will, everyone knows what they are. :shake: :rotf: